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Avalanche: Three Britons Among Nine Dead
Three Britons were among nine people killed in the "most deadly avalanche of recent years" in the Alps' Mont Blanc massif.
The bodies of three Germans, one Swiss and two Spaniards, along with the Britons, were recovered following the disaster on Mont Maudit, which translates as 'Cursed Mountain' and is the massif's third-highest peak.
One of the Britons was named as Roger Payne, a former General Secretary of the British Mountaineering Council.
"Roger was one of the UK's most enthusiastic and respected climbers with a track record of Alpine and Himalayan mountaineering stretching back to the 1980s," it said in a statement. "Our thoughts are with Roger's friends and family - in particular his wife Julie-Ann."
Two Britons and two Spaniards reported missing following the tragedy were later discovered to be alive.
Emmanuel Vegas, a lieutenant with Chamonix police, said the two Britons had started out for the summit of Mont Blanc - Western Europe's highest peak - but turned around before the avalanche.
And the two Spaniards "resold their spots in the refuge to two other Spaniards who unfortunately died in the avalanche."
Climbers from Switzerland, Germany, Spain, France, Denmark and Serbia and the UK were believed set off from Refuge des Cosmiques at about 3am local time (2am UK time).
The accident is thought to have happened between 5.30am and 6am (4.30am and 5am UK time) at about 4,000m (13,100ft) high on the north face of Mont Maudit.
Officials said a block of ice around 16in (40cm)-thick broke off and slid down the slope, creating a two-metre (6ft)-thick, 50m (160ft)-long mass of snow.
Several dozen gendarmes and other rescuers using helicopters and dogs worked to pull the dead and 15 injured from the mountain.
French interior minister Manuel Valls paid tribute to those taking part in the rescue effort.
"I admire their drive and the difficult conditions in which they have been working - they're quite perilous as you know," he told reporters.
He said large chunks of ice could be seen around the area where the rescuers were working.
Chamonix-based mountain guide Richard Mansfield said the route where the accident happened was the second most popular to the top of Mont Blanc, and it was not unusual to have 100 people a day use it.
He said: "It's a very beautiful area and a common route but it can have very serious consequences, particularly due to avalanches."
Mr Mansfield, who runs mountainadventureguides.co.uk, said the slopes on Mont Maudit faces away from the prevailing wind which means snow is pushed over forming slabs.
"These can easily be set off by a passing climber, causing an avalanche."
Colonel Bertrand Francois, of the Haute-Savoie gendarme service, said early reports suggested that a climber had indeed accidentally loosened a sheet of ice, which "pulled down the group of climbers below". He said: "I should say that the incline was very, very steep on this northern face."
:: Anyone concerned about friends or family following the avalanche can call the Foreign Office on +33 (0)1 44 51 31 00 or 0207 008 1500 in the UK.
what do you think?

eric paton
that will be 5 britons..... why do you use the racsist term brits you wouldnt use the term if it was 5 pakistanis 4 p akis missing

Tricky One
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Michael Mcardle
can anyone tell me do you really think losing your life to climb a mountain is worth it. i dont.

Amelia Princess Hall
Was thinking same

Michael Mcardle
very childish reply there chris tell you wht i find anybody that climbs mountains who eventually ends up in difficulties which then results in other people risking their lives to rescue said irrisponsable people should be charged with endangering lives. i rest my case

Neil Foster
You have more chance of being run over than this happening is it really worth crossing that road ?

Julie Crumpton
Agree with Michael, life is so precious, I have never understood people knowingly putting it at risk,....then expect other people to rescue them when they get into difficulties!! As for the old " it could happen crossing the road" brigade, I'm thinking it's not the same thing....is it? After climbing a mountain or whatever, is it really worth the risk of not only your life......but others too?

Michael Mcardle
yes neil but why do you cross the road in the first place and well said julie life is to precious to risk it for nothing. they oughta grow up and act responsibly and stop quoting silly quotes after all i cant fall off a road

Matthew Stoner
I used to walk the hills and mountains of the Highlands....not to put my life at risk, but to explore and enjoy the majestic views and fresh air. I was sensible though.....I always said where I was going and what time I'd be expected back, stuck to well defined routes and went out when the weather good, eg, blue skies, no snow etc. Even in good weather I would pack clothes for bad weather just in case conditions turned. I have witnessed "tourists" going up in trainers and casual clothes! It's them who put our rescue services at risk. These folks wouldn't have gone up unprepared or expecting to die....accidents happen in all walks of life, this was a tragic one.

Michael Mcardle
mathew theres a very big difference in walking up a few hills in the summer and climbing mountain ranges in wintry conditions. you just cant compare the two. chalk and cheese springs to mind

Matthew Stoner
Michael.,.....there speaks the voice of ignorance. You never underestimate a mountain, regardless of conditions. So what do you suggest folks do? Stay indoors?.....So what you are basically saying is, all folks who do mountaineering, parachuting, rock climbing, hang gliding, scuba diving etc are immature idiots with no sense of priority?.....With all due respect, I think you should get off your armchair, get out more and get a life!....

aa aa
Chris , this lot think going to the shops is exciting . It's horses for courses, mate. I'd rather live a fulfilling short life, than live like Julie or Mike. What sickens me, is they have to disrespect the people who died. There is just no need. Oh, and Michael. If you don't want to risk your life rescuing other people from mountain tops, then don't join a mountain rescue service. I rest my case indeed ! For gods sake, get a life, or let others live or die as they wish.

aa aa
Very childish reply from Michael, "after all you can't fall off a road". .. Ridiculous..... you have a good chance of being hit by a car, though. More than you have of dying on a mountain.

Michael Mcardle
hey aa aa i reckon i have as much right as anyone to express my views which by the way if you take the time to read the comments are popular with quite a few other contributers on the forum.any idiot which i take it by your self opinionated comments you may well be who risks their lives doing pointless things which have no worth while benifits to anyone.ie. mountain climbing, hang gliding. parachuting etc cant expect sympathy when there are other people losing their lives in geniune accidents ok.they are the people i reserve my sympathy for.that is if its alright by your all knowing self

Michael Mcardle
oh by the way aa aa you usually cross the road because you have to. to get to work for example. theres absolutely no reason to climb a mountain. its ridiculous. totally pointless infact. you are putting yourself and others at risk for no good reason. tell me what exactly are you proving by climbing a mountain. its an ego trip thats all

aa aa
Michael , you are one boring so and so. You can talk a glass eye to sleep. Your smart remarks, and disrespectful comments about dead people, appear to be your only outlet in life. I bet your missus is bored stiff. "I crossed another road today dear, "..... "don't be overdoing it Michael, you know how Evel Knievel ended up".

Michael Mcardle
no mathew i believe you will find ignorance is falling off mountains jumping out of planes hang gliding etc things that nature didnt intend us to do. not natural . do you get my drift action man

aa aa
Your views are only popular, with other ambulance chasers , like Julie, and Mike Droin. They are regular contributors when people die, they love to stick the knife in . And there's hardly a mass of people in your corner. Obviously more people have respect for the dead than you three.

Michael Mcardle
aa aa if only you knew. i have and continue to live a very fullfilling life. i have probably nay surely experienced things you could only dream of. i am probably all the things you would like to be. i dont need to gey=t my kicks from engaging in pointless exersizes. and i love my life that much i would never risk losing it being stupid.besides which i love my familt to much to have them worry about me.lastly my family love me so much they wouldnt allow me to put myself at risk..would yours

Matthew Stoner
Popular?.....want to check those minus votes Mickey boy....Ok, ok....I respect your opinions, from what you've "said" it's clear to me that you are a sad loser with no respect for how anyone else chooses to live their life......you just go back to your hum drum life.....oh and by the way "nature didn't intend" us to go at 60mph or fly....but a bet you drive a car and fly in an aeroplane....double standards there Micky boy, double standards.......

Steven James Foulds
What a terribly boring, safe life you must lead, Michael. Ok, you have an opinion to which you are entitled. It differs from the majority, but that's ok too. What's not ok is the dictatorial, sanctimonious pap falling off your pen. So you don't see the attraction in climbing - so what? Some folk are obviously just braver than you. So why don't you do something useful with your nice safe leisure time, and go work on your terrible grammar and syntax; it really is appalling!

Tricky One
Add life to your days not days to your life.

peter
Michael - you must be about the most boring person on the planet. What a load of tosh you write. Get a life man. Just what are you going to whinge about next? The 325 people killed playing football in the last 20 + years?

Michael Hawkins
But then staying at home doing nothing is risking your life Obesity - heart disease - diabeties- stroke - death I walk, I sail, Before setting out I assess the risk, i plan the route, I do everything to reduce or eliminate any risk I do not exceed my capabilities. However it is impossible to eliminate the unexpected - some people live for life other sit at home infront of the box waiting to die

Michael Hawkins
5 people died on the roads today 5 people died on the roads yesterday 5 people will die on the road tomorow 5 people will continue to die on the roads every day of the year Better to climb than to drive

Michael Mcardle
peter how about instead of hurling insults at me you look back over the posts and answer some of the many questions i have asked you. ime sick and tired of hearing you whinge on about being sacked from your last job. i think i can guess why.you are a very unlikeable person. frankly your know all attitude is very off putting. i feel sorry for your family for having to live with you .

Michael Mcardle
michael your i dont know if you realise it but your posts at times are very childish. how old are you exactly

Mike Drouin
Should not have been there stupid people!!!!!!!!!

Julie Crumpton
Couldn't agree more!

Matthew Stoner
Just heard they located the missing 4......2 of them went a seperate route and the other 2 cancelled their trip the day before, bet they are thanking God......

Michael Mcardle
yeah but how long will it be before they are back climbing some people just never learn..cos theyre so macho

Tricky One
I agree. They should of stayed at home in front of their computers passing judgement on others for doing something they enjoy, having a passion and a life and fulfilling their dreams. Stupid people!!!

Michael Mcardle
do you really suppose that anyone really cares about my grammer or syntax. i obviously get my point across or you and your buddy ( notice the word buddy and not buddies ha ha )would not be tearing your hair out and insulting me. i wont lower myself to your standards by following suit. by the way i dont find it brave to climb muntains . sky dive etc i find it stupid . i also dont need to look for cheap thrills , my life is full of thrills .being alive is the biggest,watching my grand children grow is another. remember life is only one sweet moment set aside for us heh heh

Tricky One
And the stories you'll be able to tell your grand kids!

Michael Mcardle
chris are you really suggesting that people taking part in dangerous sporting activities should be classed as brave or braver than our soldiers or police force. men who face danger on a daily basis to protect the civillians of ours and other countries. if you are i think youre a disgrace and oughta be ashamed of yourself. there is no comparison

Michael Mcardle
tricky i have no need to impress my children or indeed grandchildren with tall tales of do and dare. they love me for what i am and what i do for them. ie.show them love and affection. always be there for them learn them how to be decent human beings. that not enough for you

Julie Crumpton
Chris.....you for real?

Michael Mcardle
hey hawkins where in any of my posts have i mentioned money for my grandchildren.you another one obsessed with money.

Michael Mcardle
think chris has realised how stupid his last post was how derogatory it was to our policemen and soldiers . most likely gonna lie low for a while, well we wont forget what you said sill boy

Michael Mcardle
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Tricky One
you sound fun

Michael Mcardle
more fun than you could ever dream of tricky boy

Michael Mcardle
and certainly more fun than falling of a mountain

Louisa Gieldon
Hey you lot, stop knocking the knitters!. I am the biggest feartie in the world but i think that it must be wonderful to ski down a mountain or parachute from a plane. I just wish i had the nerve. So sorry that these folk died and such a shame for their families. Every single activity in life carries some degree of risk and lots of people need excitement to thrive. You are all getting so mad over nothing, although i do not like to read the smug - "see you shouldn't have done that"-type of comments. The only thing I'd add is: Scottish hills can be lethal all year round and many an unwary and unprepared person has been caught out, with tragic consequences. Not quite the same as a gentle walk through some of our more southern terrain.





stevie may
11:23am on 12/7/2012
Mother Nature can be merciless, her great cruelty is matched only by her endless beauty
Julie Crumpton
7:31pm on 12/7/2012
Mother nature isn't merciless, it's stupid people who insist on disrespecting her,....that's the problem! :-/
aa aa
8:52pm on 12/7/2012
Some people take on challenges. What was your latest challenge, knitting a cardie in a week ?
Michael Mcardle
9:50pm on 12/7/2012
aa aa you obviously believe yourself to be some kinda action man. so please put a little excitement into our boring little lives by enthralling us with a story or two of your most recent adventures .please. we are waiting withbated breath
Matthew Stoner
10:17pm on 12/7/2012
Aa aa is not putting himself across as being an action man, he is merely stating that he has a life, something you clearly lack.....or maybe hiding behind a keyboard is your "thrill"......
Julie Crumpton
8:27am on 13/7/2012
Are you disrespecting knitters? I don't knit, as it happens, but loads of people do! I'm sorry, but all these dangerous pastimes really are ego trips,it's a case of " hey! Look at me! I climbed a mountain!" .....bet the families of the deceased don't quite see it like that now! :-/
Julie Crumpton
8:30am on 13/7/2012
....and Matthew,....you are on here a lot,....behind your keyboard, so to speak! Lol!
Michael Mcardle
9:00am on 13/7/2012
yeah mathew you sure spend a lot of time posting drivel on the forum. to ave the cheek (or stupidity) to call anyone else for posting comments
Matthew Stoner
8:46pm on 13/7/2012
Yeah, I have posted a lot on this forum....and why?....Because I am sick of Michaels disrespectful, self righteous attitude.....People died....these people have families, friends....how can you have the callous heart to call them immature and stupid!!!......If having compassion for fellow human beings is drivel....then I aint ashamed of that! Michael, you are happy with how you live your life, that's fine...but dont judge how others choose to live theirs. That's all I am going to say on this story......
Julie Crumpton
10:37pm on 13/7/2012
Oh Matthew,......the point being made is that life is so precious, nobody on here would disrespect the lives that were lost, but it is foolhardy to attempt these things and even you have said,....families are devastated right now by their losses, it's easy to throw caution to the wind and do risky things, I also see it as a very selfish thing to do,...especialy if you've family,....we are not "ambulance chasers" etc, just have a healthy respect for life, is that so wrong?
Matthew Stoner
8:58am on 14/7/2012
Don't get me wrong Julie, I agree, life is precious. But life is also for living.....I don't want to be sat in a nursing home, looking back on my life thinking "What a waste of time that was".....Ok, the hill walking and mountain biking I done was back in my "younger" days.....I was also in the cadets and flew with the RAF and learned to shoot whilst a member. I went out on weekend exercises. Now I'm a bit older, I've settled down....I'm a photographer and explore the countryside rather than mountain tops...I even have a passion for gardening, but at least I can look back and think "what a full filling childhood/adolescence I had"......great memories....better than thinking "what if"........
Julie Crumpton
9:30am on 14/7/2012
You've put your points over well Matthew, fair play to you, I'm thinking this is a good time to leave this story be, and agree to disagree, you've certainly lived an active life, that's for sure! I still believe that mountains are to be respected, and left alone, there are many other ways to "climb mountains" but as I say, going to leave it there.....
Matthew Stoner
7:15pm on 14/7/2012
Yeah Julie, I agree with you here.....It was obviously a highly emotive subject. Just for the record, sometimes my posts do come across a bit strong....I don't mean no harm by them, I am just a very defensive person when I feel things are getting a bit to "close to home"....I agree with a lot of what you say on many other subjects. You come across as a like minded person. Even if our opinions differ, you put them across intelligently and well worded, a few others can learn a lot from yourself...:o)
Julie Crumpton
8:18pm on 14/7/2012
Thankyou, matthew, I really appreciate that! I truely do feel so very sorry for those lost lives, and there I will leave it.....