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Beer Sales Fall Over Summer 'Due To Tax'

The beer industry claims taxes are crippling sales following revelations almost 120 million fewer pints were drunk over the summer, despite the Euro 2012 football championship and the Olympic Games.
The British Beer & Pub Association (BBPA) said sales of beer in pubs fell 4.8% in the quarter to September while supermarkets and off-license sales were down by 6.5%.
It blamed taxes for the 5.6% overall reduction and said there was an urgent need to freeze the beer duty escalator.
The Government's controversial policy means increases of 2% above inflation until 2014/15.
The BBPA warned that the reduction in sales was hitting Government revenues as well as jobs.
It said beer prices have endured an "astonishing" 42% tax hike since the 2%-above inflation escalator was introduced in 2008.
There is pressure for a full Parliamentary debate on the impact of beer taxes, following a petition signed by over 100,000 people which demanded Government action on the issue.
Brigid Simmonds, chief executive of the BBPA, said: "If the Government wants to encourage growth, back British business and support local communities, then it must end the beer duty escalator."
A Treasury spokesman responded: "The Government hugely values the economic contribution made by pubs and breweries. We have introduced a range of tax measures that will help the alcohol industry, and pubs in particular.
"Cutting employers' national insurance contributions will make it cheaper for pubs to employ people on incomes of less than £21,000.
"The industry will also benefit from the reductions in corporation tax, fuel duty cut and extension of the small business rates relief holiday. Small beer producers are also benefiting from the small breweries relief.
"However, at a time when we are working hard to get down the deficit, alcohol duty revenues do make an important contribution to the public finances.
"Crucially, the Government has not made any changes beyond what was announced at the Budget in 2008," he said.
what do you think?

Dave Harrison
I seem to remember a similar story regarding petrol earlier in the year with sales substantially reduced. Less sales equals a smaller tax take for the govt and it serves them right for continuing to raise the duty on the basis that the sheep will pay up regardless. Well it looks like we may have reached a tipping point and the sheep are fighting back. Serves the greedy sods right

Windows Live User
I made £3 a pint my cut off price, so when it reached that point, then I stopped my only visit, going on a Sunday lunch for a few pints. Certainly wont replace it with the cheap beer from supermarkets as I only drank Good Real Ales Well done to the government now I have no reason to go out of the house at all. Camra keep on fighting , hopefully one day these idiots in government will listen and learn

ken w
ending foreign aid would make a very important contribution to public finances, as well as kicking the eu into touch and ending our contribution to its corrupt budget. !!!!!

Windows Live User
Wise words. I do not believe in us giving £10bn in foreign aid while so many are struggling in the UK. Besides we all know about the graft in these countries. One reason why Geldof took the matter into his own hands rather than give cash

leslie lee
i tend to agree with your sentiments ken ................britain is always at her best when acting alone !

graeme marritt
I was in a bar last Thursday night in a small town in Holland 2 euro a bottle of beer pub packed. Lower the tax and people will use the pubs where it is easier to keep an eye on those who are getting out of order and help to keep towns safer rather than people drinking cheap supermarket beer in the parks etc

Windows Live User
Also promotes a social centre for people to meet and chat. Supping cheap Supermarket booze in the graveyard isn't exactly what could be called a social night out is it?

stewgwyn
Yes WLU, it isn't all about beer, it's about fishing trips, days out, darts, pool & domino matches, quizzes, socialising and helping local charities. In remote locations they might even sell the evening paper or the Saturday ''pink''. When your local shuts its doors for the last time, you've lost more than just beer !
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stewgwyn
You're barking.
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Brian Holmes
Go and learn the meaning of respect and then consider how your life would be if no-one showed you any. I suspect you already know.

stewgwyn
Government buffoons, sometimes less is more. Reduce tax on beer and fuel, get families back on the road again for a pint and a pub lunch. If the guy is driving he might only have one drink, but his wife might go for the top shelf and the kids might have a fruit shoot or a J2O at two or three quid a time. Excessive taxation is the kiss of death to consumer confidence.

Dave Harrison
Stegwyn. I agree with you. Strange how the govt use your arguement when talking about the top rates of income tax, tax less get more, but when it comes to petrol, booze & ciggies they do the opposite.

bjnk
Spot on stew and Dave, double standards again.

Windows Live User
Government is to busy closing Britain's social meeting places ie pubs, to listen Join Camra who are fighting taxation very hard on our behalf

lynchygt3
its gone up a tiny amount per drink, does this really make foke drink less ? dont know the figures but say you go out for 6 pints how much more does it now cost ? people drinking less is a good thing in my opinion to.

Dave Harrison
Lynch. Constant duty rises do make a difference.People who used to go out for a beer 4 times a week now only go out 3 times. They also go out later say 9pm as opposed to 8. And if the figures regarding pub closures are to be believed it is making a hell of a difference to the trade

Windows Live User
Lynchygt3, Worked for me. I stopped going out altogether as I made £3 a pint my cut off price. Now pub suffers as they don't get my money and government suffers as they don't get my tax. Draw back is I don't see friends anymore. Don't worry. I wouldn't buy the supermarket cheap stuff and drink in the parks Concerned peopled should join Camra who are fighting alcohol taxes very hard to keep Britain's social life going on your behalf

Windows Live User
Dave Harrison --- Sorry I caught the thumbs down button instead of thumbs up. Again you are 100% correct. At the rate pubs are closing due to poor sales, it wont be that long before they are gone and with it a great portion of traditional British life. Concerned people need to join Camra in droves to help them lobby the government on taxation

Dave Harrison
WLU. Not a problem they are pretty meaningless anyway although it is nice to know people agree with you occasionally.

lynchygt3
really didnt think it would have that effect as i dont even ask or want to know how much a drink is, i just order and pay, i am however not some one that drinks all the time and i never drink in the house, i prob drink 5 times a month on average.

lynchygt3
i still think people that drink say 4 times a week are better off only doing it 3 times, even if it is not out of choice, its not great for you and the money the gov loose in drink sales it could make back in nhs savings by less drink related accedents or illness.

Dave Harrison
Lynch. It is very much a case of being sensible about it. 2 or 3 pints 2 or 3 times a week seems fine to me. Where I think there is real damage being done is binge drinking. I had a mate who never drank during the week only at weekends, from Friday night through to the early hours of Monday morning.

Windows Live User
lynchygt3 Dont forget to take into account the loss of paye as the pub employees are sacked plus the cost of benefits they will draw while out of work I think it sways the balance in favour of having the pubs open as against any savings the nhs might make.

Windows Live User
Dave, you say you had a mate! Sounds like there is a story behind that one mate

Dave Harrison
WLU. Surprising isn't me having a mate. I worked with him for years and he never drank during the week because he kept pigeons and that took up all of his time. But weekends Jeez he could booze. When we drank together he would be finishing his third pint as i was starting half way thru my second.

happymike CHESTER
I brew my own tastes better than the chemical rubbish the brewers call beer. The cuddly wuddly `s killed the pubs with the no smoking ban, the over taxation on cigs and alcohol is the nail in the coffin.Tax the greedy rich , cyclists and dog/cat owners.

stewgwyn
Yes happy, most of the non-smokers are staying away because they've lost the company that they used to seek.

Pat TWOMEY
have been off the ale for six weeks and had no idea that my enforced sobriety (by the missus) had had such a devestating effect on Wetherspoons (2.35p for a pint of Speckled, luvverly :) and the economy in general;)

Dave Harrison
Pat, Pat, This is an emergency!! Speckled at only 2.35 a pint. Tell me where quickly while I get my coat.

stewgwyn
Pretty much any Wetherspoon outlet, Dave, or at least a comparable product for a similar price or less, even ! Want to borrow my skateboard ?

Jonathan Goodwin-Self
Thatcher cut taxes by 50% and the economy soared up. Osbourne is increasing tax and economy is crashing

SagePhotoWorld
I suspect beer sales are decreasing because even if beer was cheaper, people still don't have enough cash to throw away on non-essentials.

Michael Hawkins
I pay £1.20 a pint in my local cash and carry which I assume makes a profit, for the same pint the local charges £3.20 draught and the supermarket £1.69 Someone is telling porkies about the reason for falling sales








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