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  • 18 December 2012, 3:21

Clegg: 'Rich Pensioners May Lose Benefits'

Nick Clegg has called for wealthy pensioners to lose free bus passes and the winter fuel allowance as he tries to revive his party's fortunes.

The Deputy Prime Minister, in a major speech on the welfare state, insisted the Government has an "absolute duty" to ensure the system is fair to all.

He said this means not paying out to "people who do not need it" and "looking again at universal benefits paid to the wealthiest pensioners".

Such a move would lead to means-testing for the winter fuel allowance, free bus travel, prescriptions and television licences.

David Cameron has committed to keeping universal benefits in place until 2015 but many Tories are keen for reform.

Following his deputy's speech, his spokesman said: "The Prime Minister made a commitment to protect those benefits and he believes in keeping his promises."

Mr Clegg admitted the benefits shake-up had been "painful and controversial" at times but he claimed the Lib Dems had ensured it was firmly anchored in the political centre ground.

"When two thirds of people think the benefits system is too generous and discourages work then it has to be changed, or we risk a total collapse in public support for welfare existing at all," he told the Centre Forum think tank.

"We need welfare protection for people who fall on hard times. Of course. But you cannot ask low income working people to pay through their taxes for people who aren't in work to live more comfortably than they do."

Mr Clegg sought to put distance between the Lib Dems and the Tories by pointing out that he blocked bids to cut housing benefit for the under 25s and to only pay child benefit for the first two children in a family.

The speech, to the Centre Forum think tank, comes on the eve of his fifth anniversary as Lib Dem leader and as the party battles a major slump in support.

He is under intense pressure as further polls show his party has been pushed into fourth place behind the UK Independence Party (Ukip). One poll had Ukip on 14%, ahead of the Lib Dems on just 8%.

Deputy leader Simon Hughes has admitted that "there is a little bit of chatter" about the leadership because of the dismal poll ratings.

Meanwhile, Mr Clegg's former director of strategy Richard Reeves has revealed the leader is attempting to win back votes by setting out the Lib Dem position well before coalition announcements are made.

In an attempt to turn the tide before local elections next May, Mr Clegg apparently wants to show the "inner workings of government" but this will inevitably strain the partnership.

Mr Reeves, writing in The Guardian, suggests the coalition could collapse before 2015 if the tactic fails.

"2013 is the year the Liberal Democrat strategy - deliver, then differentiate - will be tested," he said.

"A more assertive stance in act two of coalition should mean greater support and more votes. If not, the curtain will probably fall on the coalition before 2015."

Mr Clegg conceded that governing in difficult times had meant the party acquiring a "harder edge" but said the alternative was "a retreat to the comfort and relative irrelevance of opposition".

In his address, he suggested many Conservatives believe everyone out of work is "a scrounger" - a jibe at Chancellor George Osborne who said Government should support "strivers" not "shirkers".

"The siren voices of the Tory right who peddle this myth could have pulled a majority Conservative government in the direction of draconian welfare cuts," he said.

He declared that the Tories wanted to implement an extra £10bn in welfare cuts but were kept down to £3.8bn by the Lib Dems, branding some of the earlier plans "extreme".

Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman said: "Nick Clegg will try every trick in the book to distance himself from the record of his Government.

"But, as ever with the Lib Dems, they say one thing whilst doing another - resulting in a record of economic failure, trebled tuition fees, nurses cut,police axed and millions paying more while millionaires get a tax cut.

"Bearing this in mind, what we really should be hearing from Nick Clegg is a proper apology and a declaration that from now on he will actually stick by the promises he makes."

 

what do you think?

first 20 comments

Jak Hodgkins

6:24am on 17/12/2012

Hmmm i just take anything Clegg says with a pinch of salt really, if his brains were dynamite he wouldnt have enough to blow his nose

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Windows Live User

11:19am on 17/12/2012

It's such a shame that he is in the position he is as he can do us all a lot of damage!

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hollywoodbowden

7:45am on 17/12/2012

So what they have still worked hard all there life's to earn thr money they have and payed tax all there life's. There really is no point insensate to work as its hard enough to live now. Retirement age will be 80 in a few more years so you will work till you drop so no point having a pension or working

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shaun spencer

7:50am on 17/12/2012

I do a little charity work for a well known advice center and i can tell you we are inudated with peaple worried about there benefits and their housing.one person after gaining her tenency from her parents when they died and has lived at the same address all her life is suddenly fimding herself in a position where she cant afford to live there anymore because she has a spare bedroom and will have to pay an extra £10.00 a week plus £40.00 a month and with spirralling fuel bills she simply cant afford to live there anymore.yet this woman is disabled and needs support and will badly miss her neigh ours and freinds.yet bankers still get paid millions in christmas bonuses.

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shaun spencer

9:47am on 17/12/2012

We also had a woman come in who is receiving treatment for cancer and because she cant work she had her house repocessed by a well known bank.the council did give her a flat but it was in such a bad state she felt she had to move out to her sisters.trouble is the council have now said that she has made herself deliberatly homeless so is no longer on any council waiting list.

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shaun spencer

9:54am on 17/12/2012

There are many fathers contacting us.who have there children over weekends and holidays who have been given places with a spare room to enable his children to stay with him.but now he is having to downsize because he cant afford the extra £ 10.00 a week" bedroom tax."plus again the council tax top up.

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shaun spencer

10:01am on 17/12/2012

There are also peaple who have to live in sheltered housiing accomadation but again because they have a two bedroomed bungalow they will be forced to move or find the extra £10.00 a week.

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shaun spencer

10:08am on 17/12/2012

Then theres the " catch 22s" as ive dubbed them.peaple who cant afford to stay in their homes because of the" bedroom tax for the single poor" but cant afford £200 it costs to move their furniture and belongings etc etc.

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shaun spencer

10:20am on 17/12/2012

And yet we have millionaires living in vast mansions.we have those who have secound homes and are left empty for 3 quarters of the year and often in tourist spots where the local population cant afford to live.we have the rich tax avoiders( starbucks).peaple who have villas in spain.then there are many empty homes just being left to rot.we learn that theres an increasing amount of homes being repocessed including familys by the banks only to learn that same bank has awarded its bosses millions in xmas bonuses. Is this really fare i ask myself.what do you think.?

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Windows Live User

11:17am on 17/12/2012

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kenwilby

8:19am on 17/12/2012

So people who haven't squandered their money over their working lives deserve less in their old age than the ones who for whatever reason couldn't put a little more away. This can't be right. They have contributed more in taxes so surely should get treated the same.

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Windows Live User

11:09am on 17/12/2012

Well sad. Very well said.

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GillieLouise

12:47pm on 17/12/2012

Quite right Ken.... be prudent was Gordon Browns mess age!!!!!! What for,? bu**er all. What a kick in the teeth for us all.

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Bazil Brush

8:52am on 17/12/2012

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Geoff Littlewood

9:04am on 17/12/2012

Mr Clegg, just what is your definition of wealthy? Is it the people who have worked hard, paid taxes throughout their lives and scrimped and saved throughout their lives to prepare for their latter years? Or is it those who Thatcher conned into buying their homes for their and their families' security? If they don't need these relatively trivial benefits, because they are, in your view, 'wealthy', perhaps you might care to explain how massive bonuses are paid to already wealthy parasitic leaders of banks and other big business, many of whom pay little or no tax into our country. Does it include former MP's who draw very generous pensions? These are the ones you should be concentrating your efforts on (do they really need it?) and not the little person. And should they carry out their threat of moving abroad and paying their taxes wherever they go, they also forgo any rights they have as a British citizen.

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Brian Holmes

10:58am on 17/12/2012

Well said.

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Windows Live User

11:08am on 17/12/2012

Perhaps the only reason they moved abroad in the first place was to get away from clowns such as our "leaders"?

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Jasmin Louise

9:17am on 17/12/2012

What next? A work capability test for over 65's? Wouldn't surprise me! They only look after number 1..themselves!!

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Nigel L

10:32am on 17/12/2012

Clegg keeps digging himself further into oblivian. If there has to be welfare cuts two areas where he may have found some support, cutting housing benifit for under 25's and child allowance for first 2 children only , he boasts he blocked !

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Windows Live User

11:29am on 17/12/2012

And just what does Clegg consider as rich? People with 8k in the bank? People that scrimped and save all their miserable lives to get 8k? Wonder why he doesnt go one step further and stop pensions until the 8k has been devoured.

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Andrea Hill

11:44am on 17/12/2012

what an awful way to treat people who have worked hard, saved for retirement. utter disgrace.!!!!

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Nigel L

11:34am on 17/12/2012

Most wealthy pensioners dont bother to apply for a bus pass anyway so no big saving to be made there unless of cource he thinks any pensioner with an income above the basic state pension is wealthy. The guy really doesnt have a clue.

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Nigel L

12:01pm on 17/12/2012

And how about wealthy MP's, ie all of them,losing their subsidised resteraunt and bar in Parliment. If Clegg thinks attacking pensioners will revive his party's fortunes he realy has lost it.

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GillieLouise

12:45pm on 17/12/2012

I agree Nigel.... I am not wealthy just comfortable and pay my way. I havent a bus pass either as, thank God, I can still drive and pay for my car. This latest news has totally floored me

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Phil A

12:11pm on 17/12/2012

Hit the easy targets and leave the hard targets alone. Is this the best he can up with? Absolutely pathetic.

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happymike CHESTER

12:17pm on 17/12/2012

Well Clegg I don`t know who is more stupid you or Cameron "wealthy"pensioners have paid the most tax and insurance all their working lives i.e Doctors, Scientists . Head Teachers, Managers and so on. What is next pay for health . The most Wealthy pensioners do not fiddle their taxes like your super rich family and friends.

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GillieLouise

12:43pm on 17/12/2012

How I agree with you happymike.... what next, as you say?

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GillieLouise

12:42pm on 17/12/2012

Outrageous..... we all paid in. We were all told that we would be looked after in our old age. It seems its OK for we pensioners to still pay for youngsters who CHOOSE not to work or have children they can not afford and now another kick in the teeth. Outrageous and unkind

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happymike CHESTER

12:48pm on 17/12/2012

That`s it blame the young and they blame you it`s called divide and rule.

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GillieLouise

12:53pm on 17/12/2012

Sorry happy.... I do blame whoever is taking my hard earned money from me. I worked late into my life whilst I watched some sit on their backsides from CHOICE. If that offends you then tough

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Tricky One

12:59pm on 17/12/2012

It is a tired argument Gillie. "We were all told that we would be looked after in our old age." By who? The youngsters or the politicians? And besides, why should rich pensioners take away from the poor? Conservatives eh!

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Tricky One

1:00pm on 17/12/2012

I should also say this is kind of rediculous (attempt at vote winning) pointless statement..

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GillieLouise

1:05pm on 17/12/2012

Tricky One.... I am old enough to recall being told by Labour that we would be looked after in our old age... what a lot of cobblers. I am not taking money from anyone dear, in fact, I am still paying in. I dont have a lot of cash but have been prudent as requested by another pathetic politician. I think I may dispose of the little I have left and sit on my backside now.

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t.bulgin

1:28pm on 17/12/2012

I agree Gillie, whats next ? the state pension ? Can't happen, won't happen.

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Tricky One

1:45pm on 17/12/2012

So to clarify, sweetheart, it is the politicians who made and broke their promise, not the youngsters. (Who you seem to be venting your vitreol at). And this (non)story is to do with the most wealthiest pensioners not all pensioners. So this wouldn't affect you? Rich not wanting to share their wealth, bloody conservatives! My pointless (vote winning) statement was to do with Clegg's comment.

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romsey1891

1:13pm on 17/12/2012

I wonder if this will be the end of winter fuel allowances for ex-pat pensioners now living on the costas in Spain.On rare occasions the temp drops below 10c in the daytime, during winter months.How will the poor souls survive?

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t.bulgin

1:27pm on 17/12/2012

I see your point romsey but there are many here who don't need it as much as the overseas ones don't. The point is that either they all get what they paid in for or none of them do. Personally, im against anyone losing an entitlement that they have paid for over a number of years.

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t.bulgin

1:25pm on 17/12/2012

Doesn't "strivers" include those who are trying to get work, they deserve the most support. I don't think this will happen, Clegg has lost the plot and is trying too find ways back. To me he is just digging the hole deeper.

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blue side

1:40pm on 17/12/2012

This man Clegg is a plank of the first order. I am questioning if the LibDems have anything to offer the country. O someone save me from politicians ............ +600 over paid no hopers

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Jasmin Louise

5:42pm on 17/12/2012

Politicians are like nappies! They need changing regular! All for the same reasons :)

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LucienSolo1

6:05pm on 17/12/2012

We are normally a mixed bag on these forums but if there is something...or should I say someone who unites us, it's Nick Clegg. The man is indeed "pathetic" as someone says below. He is the exact personification of his party.....clueless, incompetent, weak, ineffective, self-serving, untrustworthy, bland, wishy washy, two-faced insignificant now. Yes indeed, they are trying to distance themselves as much as possible from those they jumped into bed with...BUT, they are far too cowardly to simply leave the coalition. They know too well that would be the finish of them. That will come later however....will it not?

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6:28pm on 17/12/2012

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andrew

7:33pm on 17/12/2012

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