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  • 7 August 2012, 15:49

Courts: 'Forced Labour' Work Scheme Is Legal

A Government unpaid work programme criticised as "forced labour" has been ruled lawful by the High Court.

Jobless graduate Cait Reilly's claim that a back-to-work-scheme requiring her to work for free at a Poundland discount store breached human rights laws banning slavery has been rejected by a judge.

Mr Justice Foskett, sitting at the High Court in central London, said that "characterising such a scheme as involving or being analogous to 'slavery' or 'forced labour' seems to me to be a long way from contemporary thinking".

Monday's ruling will come as a relief to the Government, for it was likely that all its back-to-work schemes would have been potentially invalid had it lost the legal challenge.

Launched in June last year by the Department for Work and Pensions, the job scheme provides unpaid work experience and training for people who have been out of work for long periods.

The Department said it was "delighted, although not surprised, that the judge agrees our schemes are not forced labour".

"Comparing our initiatives to slave lavour is not only ridiculous but insulting to people around the world facing real oppression."

Miss Reilly, 23, from Birmingham, and 40-year-old unemployed HGV driver Jamieson Wilson, from Nottingham, both claimed the unpaid schemes they were on violated article four of the European Convention on Human Rights, which prohibits forced labour and slavery.

The judge said both Miss Reilly and Mr Wilson were each entitled to a declaration that there had been breaches of the 2011 jobseeker's allowance regulations in their cases.

He criticised the DWP over the lack of clarity in letters which warn claimants of a potential loss of benefits if they fail to take part in the schemes without good reason.

Mistakes had been made in notifying Ms Reilly about the requirements of the Work Academy Scheme so that she did not appreciate the scheme was not mandatory, while Mr Wilson had been given inadequate notice about the Community Action Programme (CAP).

But the judge ruled neither scheme was contrary to article four, and the errors made did not invalidate the 2011 jobseeker's allowance regulations.

A DWP spokeswoman said: "Thousands of young people across the country are taking part in our schemes and gaining the vital skills and experience needed to help them enter the world of work - it is making a real difference to people's lives.

"Those who oppose this process are actually opposed to hard work and they are harming the life chances of unemployed young people who are trying to get on."

The Department added it had revised its warning letters and would be appealing over that part of the ruling.

Law firm Public Interest Lawyers (PIL), who represented Miss Reilly and Mr Wilson, said the issuing of flawed warning letters about sanctions meant that "tens of thousands of people stripped of their benefits must now be entitled to reimbursement by the DWP".

PIL spokeswoman Tessa Gregory said as of January 2012, more than 22,000 people had lost their benefits for failing to participate in the Work Programme alone.

"That figure must now have doubled," she said. "It is truly extraordinary that the Government has found itself in this position by failing to provide basic information to those affected."

what do you think?

first 20 comments

d and d Phillips

10:40am on 6/8/2012

Age old equation: Work = income. What's the issue? Age old equation: idleness =poverty. What's the issue?

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Steven White

11:08am on 6/8/2012

How about this equation Not enough jobs = poverty. forget about age old and think more about here and now. The Tories want you to think everyone is a dosser, but that really isn't the case.

Score: 21

johnmstg42ml

11:33am on 6/8/2012

David your comment has just proven their claim. Work = income. They are not being paid.

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Keith Reeder

12:47pm on 6/8/2012

What's the issue? We're not in the 19th century any more, you muppet.

Score: 13

Grant Berry

12:59pm on 6/8/2012

They are being paid = benefits.

Score: 20

Anthony Smith

4:47pm on 6/8/2012

Benefits do not=minimum wage Idleness=well paid cabinet position + expenses

Score: 16

Pauline Keeling

10:57am on 6/8/2012

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David Wragg

11:27am on 6/8/2012

I find this one difficult. If they are still receiving their Jobseeker's Benefit while working, then that can be regarded as training, but if not, it seems harsh. Does the 'employer' reimburse the DWP (aka the taxpayer) for the benefit? I know that training some people just off the dole can be time-consuming as some of them have great difficulty in getting out of bed in the morning. On the other hand, those that are prepared to turn up on time and work deserve better. For the record, I am a Tory.

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Louisa Gieldon

4:03pm on 6/8/2012

The trainees recieve their benefits and the employer gets free labour. David if it was in any way valuable as a training experience, then it might have some worth if it was aimed at people who were long term unemployed and were keen to upskill. But all it will be is a menial job with poor supervision and then you'll be replaced by the next six weeker and back at the jobcentre.

Score: 13

Stuart Harley

11:34am on 6/8/2012

..NO WORK - NO PAY....SIMPLE AS THAT !!

Score: 21
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johnmstg42ml

12:16pm on 6/8/2012

No pay-No work......Simple as that!!!

Score: 17

Louisa Gieldon

3:53pm on 6/8/2012

Stuart, i am asking this question sincerely. Do you personally know of anyone who is not in work and looking for a job?I have several friends and relatives in that position and it's so hard at the moment. I also have two relatives who work for jobcentre plus and i can assure you that there are no jobs.

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sue sue

11:40am on 6/8/2012

If they are still receiving benifits does that not class as a wage or do they expect to get wages AND benifits?

Score: 17
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johnmstg42ml

12:15pm on 6/8/2012

I agree, but surely there should be a top up to bring the ammount they get is equal to the minimum wage.

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Keith Reeder

12:45pm on 6/8/2012

No, it's NOT a wage! The explicit point of being paid a benefit is that it tides you over until you're back in a position of paid employment: the very fact that the same amount of benefit is payable whether or not they do this "work" is ample demonstration that this is not legitimate paid employment. It's packaged as "experience" - which is debatable - but if these folk are actually working, during this "experience", then as John suggests, their benefits should be topped up to Minimum Wage level. THEN you might call it a "wage".

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John Andrew

11:47am on 6/8/2012

i can sort of understand this- you go on a scheme working or training,yet your working/training alongside someone who at the end of the week is going to take home a lot more than you are,not much of an incentive,this scheme is nothing new its been done every recession,good way to manipulate the jobless figure as technicaly you are employed,same as registered as unemployement benefit for 6 months then transfrred to income support during that 2 week period you was off the register it would be a good scheme if the was a guranteed job at the end of it or at least out of 100 75 would be re employed,but rarely there are

Score: 15

Emma Scott

11:53am on 6/8/2012

What I don't understand is why Poundland?! Surely if they are on benefits and able to work, working for the local community would serve a more useful and rewarding prospect? If I was unemployed I'd rather work cleaning up parks, looking after the elderly/disabled etc than stacking shelves for a big business.

Score: 18
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Ben Ralph

12:08pm on 6/8/2012

Certain companies signed up. Most pulled out because they got bad publicity out of it (Tesco and Ssinsbury were two).

Score: 9

johnmstg42ml

12:20pm on 6/8/2012

Tories dont want people to be working in the community thats part of their big society. They want to give free or cheap labour to their capitalist cronies.

Score: 15

Ben Ralph

12:11pm on 6/8/2012

All this scheme is is a way for major shops to hire cheap labour. What skills will anyone learn stacking shelves? All it does is hit the fulltime workers because their overtime disappears as the work is done by people working for free. It garnered such bad P.R that Tesco abandoned the scheme as it was wrecking staff morale.

Score: 25

stephen

12:50pm on 6/8/2012

you pay n/i its your money

Score: 13
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Grant Berry

1:00pm on 6/8/2012

not everyone has paid or paid en ough long term benefit lovers need sorting.......

Score: 14

Chris Robinson

1:07pm on 6/8/2012

Just tax some of your beloved millionaires as they should be taxed - sorted. They're the REAL scroungers.

Score: 17

Grant Berry

1:14pm on 6/8/2012

Narr they earn it, & why shouldnt they want to keep it. They dont work hard to give it to others, thats whats wrong with socialism it Assumes too much

Score: 17

Chris Robinson

1:14pm on 6/8/2012

Fred Diamond and his band of crooks 'earn' it? Ha.

Score: 15

Grant Berry

1:21pm on 6/8/2012

you forgot Scargill????

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Chris Robinson

1:26pm on 6/8/2012

Scargill and the miners were isolated by the rest of the leadership of the labour movement who were on (Lord) Kinnock's side. They took on the full force of the state ranged against them. One single union on strike for a year. Lessons have been learned from that strike, unity across all unions is strength. Remember the anti-poll tax campaign that kicked out the poll tax and Thatcher too? Tears streaming down her face as she left No 10. Once the working class get moving again, a better world will open up.

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Grant Berry

1:33pm on 6/8/2012

I remember Scargill was the only miner to upgrade his house during that strike. I remember Labour getting booted out in the 70's after the unions became the "enemy within" - all out brothers!

Score: 17

Chris Robinson

1:44pm on 6/8/2012

Scargill was no socialist. He didn't take a workers' wage. He was a Stalinist, but head and shoulders above the union leaders of his time. And it was the ordinary miners and their families who went on strike, they're the ones who really took Thatcher on. Many of them took part in the anti-poll tax campaign. But Scargill was right to lead a strike. Labour lost the 1979 election because their supporters turned away from them when Labour first introduced monetarism ie. became more like the Tories.

Score: 12

Chris Robinson

1:45pm on 6/8/2012

That's why we need a new socialist party.

Score: 15

Grant Berry

4:14pm on 6/8/2012

Socialism died, didnt you get the memo?

Score: 15

Louisa Gieldon

4:28pm on 6/8/2012

Socialism may be dead in your world Grant, but in mine it's alive and kickin' like a mule. I know many, many people who are still socialists and we are all here waiting..........

Score: 13

Grant Berry

12:58pm on 6/8/2012

This i s what we need, Scroungers sorted out !

Score: 20
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Chris Robinson

1:06pm on 6/8/2012

And your golden boy Cameron, like the FibDems, will pay for it at the ballot box. The only downside is Labour may benefit and carry on playing political musical chairs. We need a new party based on the trade unions and anti-cuts campaigns to implement policies to benefit the millions not the millionaires.

Score: 18

Grant Berry

1:12pm on 6/8/2012

Chris Citzen Smith Robinson.......yeah yeah. Keep asking for things you know will never happen, it saves you from facing reality & the real tough world. Go back to bunnykins land

Score: 14

Chris Robinson

1:20pm on 6/8/2012

When you run out of ideas, Grant, all you can do is repeat your little mantra, but it won't wash.

Score: 13

Grant Berry

1:23pm on 6/8/2012

ditto - u

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Chris Robinson

1:34pm on 6/8/2012

Brilliant.

Score: 13

Louisa Gieldon

3:45pm on 6/8/2012

These people are not scroungers - they are claimants and they are entitled to their benefit, whether you approve or not. When will people like you who love calling others names understand that there are next to no jobs available. it's very hard and demoralising and you have, sadly, a very poor opinion of your fellow citizens. Embarking on benefits reform during a recession, when very few jobs are available,will backfire on this government, both in terms of civil unrest and removal of electoral support.

Score: 15

Chris Robinson

1:03pm on 6/8/2012

Not forced? So telling somebody if you don't go on 'Workfare' for six weeks you will lose your benefits so you could go hungry, get into further debt - that's not forced? Who are they kidding? So somebody has to work 40 hours alongside another low paid worker. Presumbaly after the six weeks, the company sends for another JSA claimant for another six weeks, then another. Isn't there a full-time position here available? Tesco, Next and Sainsbury's pulled out because there were demonstrations outside some of their stores organised by such campaigns as 'Youth Fight for Jobs and Education'. The CONDEMs are in favour of keeping wages low. This is one of their methods. Labour are no better. They offer no solutions.

Score: 17
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Grant Berry

1:06pm on 6/8/2012

Neither do you offer any real world solutions..

Score: 14

Chris Robinson

1:13pm on 6/8/2012

Easy. Tax the tax-dodging rich properly. Close tax loopholes, tax the £750bn that lies in the accounts of big business. Invest it in manufacturing, infra-structure, build new hospitals, schools, a massive house-building programme creating jobs and apprenticeships for hundreds of thousands of people who will then earn and pay taxes. Take over the rip off energy companies and use their profits for more growth. If the rich don't like it, let them leave, but their assets stay here. We're building a new socialist party and these are the policies we will introduce. Book your flight now, Grant.

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Grant Berry

1:16pm on 6/8/2012

Chris Citzen Smith Robinson.......yeah yeah. Keep asking for things you know will never happen, it saves you from facing reality & the real tough world. Go back to bunnykins land

Score: 16

Chris Robinson

1:19pm on 6/8/2012

Only time will tell. You think this govt and the capitalist system is healthy? Do you think the three main parties are very popular? None of them offer a way out of this mess except to cling to the illusion that capitalism will 'find a way out'. People are beginning to rise up and fight back, not just in this country, across the globe. Or do you want to shut your eyes to that reality?

Score: 14

Grant Berry

1:20pm on 6/8/2012

Dream on, the reality is this scheme is in place - full stop. Your dream is just that - a dream

Score: 16

Chris Robinson

1:22pm on 6/8/2012

This scheme will fail, as it was chucked out by Tesco, Next and Sainsburys.

Score: 16

Grant Berry

1:25pm on 6/8/2012

Plenty of businesses will ove this to help them in the recession. So will people want to work. You cant stop it its in place thats the reality

Score: 14

Chris Robinson

1:29pm on 6/8/2012

It's already in the process of getting stopped - Tesco, Sainsburys, Next.

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Grant Berry

1:31pm on 6/8/2012

yawn......

Score: 13

Chris Robinson

1:41pm on 6/8/2012

Devoid of argument, debate, words even? When all else fails, Grant, turn to childish insults.

Score: 13

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3:16pm on 6/8/2012

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Louisa Gieldon

3:35pm on 6/8/2012

Grant this scheme is heping no one find work. It's only there to make the govt able to claim that they are offering "training" to claimants. it's box ticking and offers no serious attempt to improve our economy and create real jobs. The firm involved are replacing these trainees every six weeks. I think this ruling is very wrong and very sinister.

Score: 13

Steven White

1:33pm on 6/8/2012

What incentive do these businesses have to employ full time staff? This is not not helping the normal everyday person on the street, but hey when have the Tories cared about them lot?? I'm sure the directors will do great out of it as profits will be up and lucky for them they pay less tax, bonus!

Score: 15

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1:34pm on 6/8/2012

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Raymond Castle

4:10pm on 6/8/2012

Wonder if the judge is a mate of 'just call me Dave'?

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stephen

4:27pm on 6/8/2012

the only country in the eu that' says slave labour is ok.

Score: 21

Christopher Hodson

4:32pm on 6/8/2012

I believe the Judicial System needs a complete overhaul. The Judges need to replaced as it is obvious tha these judges have been got at by the government. We are now seeing perverse judgements. It started with the Chapti case which ruled with the government despite all the odds and cases previous. There is something wrong in forcing people to work for business for no pay. The fall out to this is they will do poor work because they are forced.

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Rhys Sage

4:34pm on 6/8/2012

The whole point of the scheme is that an empty CV looks bad. If you have done something for 6 months even if it's worthless then at least it looks better. You have to phrase it carefully: "Working since X in Cheapo Shop 55 as a general dogsbody" looks a lot better than "on a jobcentre scheme since X".

Score: 18

Christopher Hodson

4:41pm on 6/8/2012

On this subject the DWP itself needs to be restructured and overhauled. I thought the primary object was to help people get back to work. The jobcentre plus do anything but help people they infact hinder and obstruct people who want to work and use the goverment as the excuse.

Score: 12

Anthony Smith

4:43pm on 6/8/2012

Just wondering if anyone who has already worked for let's say 30 years then lost their job actually needs any 'work experience'(?)....as for 'training', what training is their in stacking shelves etc.??!! Also think that the judges should be called upon to question the legality of being required to work for less than the minimum wage (far less even than the minimum apprentice wage!)

Score: 12

Grant Berry

5:59pm on 6/8/2012

i was taught not to waste time on people who are determined to misunderstand

Score: 19
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