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Cameron Makes Veto Pledge On EU Budget
David Cameron has said he would use Britain's "veto" a second time if he feels Europe's seven-year spending plan is too high.
As the Conservative Party conference opened in Birmingham, the Prime Minister said he was prepared to halt next month's budget talks if EU leaders refuse to cut spending.
Mr Cameron said he would not stand for "outrageous" attempts to increase the overall EU budget in negotiations on spending for the period 2014 to 2020.
"If it comes to saying, 'No' to a deal that isn't right for Britain, I'll say, 'No,'" he said in an interview with The Sunday Telegraph.
The Prime Minister also confirmed this time he has his Deputy PM Nick Clegg's blessing on the issue. The Liberal Democrats reacted with dismay when Mr Cameron used Britain's veto to oppose the EU fiscal pact last December.
Mr Cameron has also proposed a "bold thinking" plan for the EU to have two separate budgets - one for the 17 eurozone nations and the other for the 10 - including Britain - outside the single currency.
Such a plan is likely to prove highly popular with Conservative MPs who have been pressing for a referendum on Britain's future in the EU.
Mr Cameron faces a potentially tricky week with the party trailing Labour in the polls and the economy mired in recession.
The Prime Minister has also made clear he was not ready to concede the political centre ground to Ed Miliband after the Labour leader's party conference speech claiming his was the true "One Nation" party.
He also dismissed Liberal Democrat demands for a "mansion tax" and benefit cuts for wealthy pensioners as part of efforts to tackle the deficit.
But the Prime Minister signalled that the coalition would be targeting the rich with new measures to help balance the books.
Interviewed on the Andrew Marr Show as the Conservatives kicked off a potentially tricky conference in Birmingham, Mr Cameron dodged questions about
whether the economy was finally recovering from its double dip recession. He also insisted it was "too early to say" whether the Government would miss its key target for public sector debt to be falling by 2015.
"I'm not an economic forecaster so I cannot tell you exactly what is happening in terms of the day-to-day growth, but I can tell you that our economy is rebalancing," he said.
"Are the Conservatives deserting the common ground of British politics? Absolutely not," he said.
He attacked Mr Miliband for "signalling right but turning left" and poured cold water on his much-trumpeted feat of speaking for more than an hour without a text.
"It is difficult to give a speech without notes for 70 minutes. It's even more difficult when you haven't got anything to say," he said.
Mr Cameron launched his own Twitter account on the eve of his party's conference and within hours attracted more than 65,000 followers - and a barrage of abuse from hostile users of the social network.
In his first tweet via @David_Cameron, the Prime Minister wrote: "I'm starting Conference with this new Twitter feed about my role as Conservative Leader. I promise there won't be 'too many tweets'.'"
He followed up by posting a photograph of himself meeting staff at the John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford.
The Prime Minister also sought to play down the potential threat to his leadership from London mayor Boris Johnson, whose popularity soared over the summer with the success of the Olympics.
According to an opinion poll for The Observer, voters much prefer Mr Johnson (+30%) to Mr Cameron (-21%).
Despite a series of attacks by the London mayor - most notably over the expansion of airport capacity in the South East - Mr Cameron insisted he was "relaxed about the blond-haired mop sounding off from time to time".
He added: "He will always speak his mind. There is no point in trying to contain Boris."
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what do you think?
He has to do something as he has an all time low rate score and the anti EU lobby within the party and the general public are all wanting an EU referendum. He seems to be trying a last ditch attempt to get voters back on side. Way too late.
Dream on. This man is a fool.
it`s no good Dave. We want " Out All together " !
What Cameltwit and the rest of the LibLabCon quislings don't mention is that 75% of our laws either originate from or are dictated from unelected anti-democratic Brussels. Anyway in 2014, the EU will sanction Qualified Majority Voting - which means Dave's veto is worth nothing, zilch, nada, nichts, rein, niente Referendum required now, before it's too late.
Is the EU "unelected and anti-democratic"? If so, what do our MEPs do and what do the European Parliament and The Council of the European Union do? As I understand it, the law of the state applies and can only be challenged / overriden in those few cases where EU law affords more rights than state law.
Good question Mick - what do MEPs do? MEPs have no legislative powers and can only debate any EU Commission dictats for up to 14 days. When QMV applies NO single country's democratic goverment will will be able to refuse any EU imposed legislation. Result, no country will be sovereign, voting in a general election will have all the relevance of voting in X Factor.
Have you actually studied QMV, gengisken, because I don't think it means what you think it means? QMV has been in existence for some time. The changes proposed are designed to BENEFIT countries with larger populations like the UK.
Some political commentators don't believe that he actually vetoed anything the first time.
IN OUT referendum now to stop tax payers money being wasted.
Brian E Gorton
Get us out of this disaster area now.Get back all our utility industries ie power.Stop selling off all the other good exporters.Control our own laws! If we make things people want tney will buy from us in the EEC or not! Camaloons out with the EEC!!!!!
Its perfectly simple David. One ballot paper one alternative. In or out. Unite your party keep your job win back voters from UKIP.
I think he is just pandering to the popular anti EU sentiment in the hope of gaining some popularity. Check out these pages. Not many EU supporters on here. Remember the promised referendum which he announced and then spent weeks explaining why it wasn't necessary. My views on the EU? Get out and get out now. ps I voted yes in 1976 but I was young & daft then and didn't know any better
Do any of the Europeans care a toss what Cameron says?
He gave a cast iron guarantee on a referendum but then said NO when he became Prime Minister. In the Commons there was a vote on a referendum but he had a 3 line whip against it. Now he says it could be in 2017 but he will lose the next election and his seat.
Spot on Mick Salt most of these commentators understand nothing about the EU. It's just something to blame for our own B*lls ups.
I agree totally. If people have views about the EU (or anything else), then they should base them on fact not fiction. The EU is nowhere near perfect (the CAP springs to mind) but it's delivered a lot of benefits (e.g. it's driven down the price in real terms of a lot of services that we use daily). What will we blame for all the price rises when we're out of the EU? - immigrants, I expect.
OK, let's do facts -name one EU benefit and one price of anything driven down by the EU?
Here's some EU benefits to chew on. 65,000 Spaniards fee to Argenina and 25,000 have gone to Mexico since 2008 to escape 24.63% unemployment with 55% unemployed 18- 24 year olds Great benefits - and then we have Greece, Portugal, Italy, Ireland and soon France..........
I'll name you two important examples. Both telecomms and energy prices have either been driven down or at a much lower level than they would have been without the EU. There are countless other benefits I can give you. How long have you got?
Re your latest post, ghengisken. What's happening in Greece, Spain etc. is as a result of being in the Eurozone, not the EU. You have to make the distinction. The two things are not the same. As for emigration from Spain, at the beginning of 2009, a total of 2,365,364 people of Latin American origin lived in Spain. The proportion of Latin Americans amongst the immigrants in Spain has risen from 24% to 37% between 1999 and 2009.. The number of immigrants in all developed countries is reducing at the moment, because of the recession.
Mick. I think you will find that energy prices are considerably higher in the UK than in the rest of europe. So thats one of your so called benefits trashed straight away
Having lived in France til last December, I didn't find gas or electricity cheaper than it is here. Petrol / diesel was margunally cheaper, but that's down to UK tax imposed. In any case, I wasn't making an international comparison - merely pointing out that prices in all EU countries would have been higher if they hadn't been in the EU. It's not my opinion either - it's the opinion of experts.
Dave, here is the expert view: "Energy costs are a big issue for some business sectors and EU competition rules have helped to keep them down; the establishment of the EU's single market in energy in 2014 should act as a further brake on energy prices."
Mick Salt - you merely make unquantifiable assertions without references and are therefore only opinions and quite worthless. Furthermore in reply to my quoted figues you deliberately avoid the issues raised. Anyone can apply idology except that your obvious belief in the EU is entirely subjective and devoid of factual content to be worth discussing.
It's a bit rich accusing me of lack of factual content, gengisken, when you confuse the EU with the Eurozone and, in an earlier post, totally misunderstand what QMV is about. Can you explain to me what the issue was that I avoided? I assumed you used the 90,000 emigrants from Spain to Latin America as proof that the EU had failed and I was pointing out that there have been over 2 million immigrants from Latin America to Spain in the last 13 years. Spain, a failing EU country, according to you, seems to have attracted far more people to it than have left it. And who is it that has a subjective bias?
Spot on again Mick. These know nothing little Englanders blame anyone but themselves, the EU, immigrants, any non right wing organisation etc etc.
Michael. At least Mick enters into a discussion and tries to argue his case .You have contributed precious little other than insults
I think, Dave, that Michael thinks he's beating his head against a wall - I sometimes feel like that. I think that, generally, people are ill-informed about the EU. It's not all their fault - the EU could have done more to explain the tangible and less tangible benefits of the union. This lack of communication is now being put right and you can look on a number of sites to acquire info - e.g. <a href="http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296" rel='nofollow'>www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296</a> or <a href="http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=150248" rel='nofollow'>www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=150248</a> which gives both pros and cons.
Boris for prime minister