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Demoted Christian Wins Facebook Post Ruling
A Christian man demoted for posting his opposition to gay marriage on Facebook has won his breach of contract action against his employers.
Adrian Smith lost his managerial position, had his salary cut by 40%, and was given a final written warning by Trafford Housing Trust (THT) after writing gay weddings in churches were "an equality too far".
The comments were not visible to the general public, and were posted outside work time, but the trust claimed he broke its code of conduct by expressing religious or political views which might upset fellow workers.
Mr Smith brought breach of contract proceedings, saying the trust acted unlawfully in demoting him.
At London's High Court Mr Justice Briggs ruled in his favour, saying the trust did not have a right to demote Mr Smith as his Facebook postings did not amount to misconduct and was a breach of contract.
Justice Briggs concluded: "Mr Smith was taken to task for doing nothing wrong, suspended and subjected to a disciplinary procedure which wrongly found him guilty of gross misconduct.
"(He was) then demoted to a non-managerial post with an eventual 40% reduction in salary. The breach of contract which the Trust thereby committed was serious and repudiatory."
Mr Smith said in a statement: "I'm pleased to have won my case for breach of contract today. The judge exonerated me and made clear that my comments about marriage were in no way 'misconduct'.
"Britain is a free country where people have freedom of speech, and I am pleased that the judge's ruling underlines that important principle.
"But this sad case should never have got this far. Long ago, Trafford Housing Trust should have held their hands up and admitted they made a terrible mistake.
"Had they done this then my life would not have been turned upside down and my family and I would not have had to endure a living nightmare."
The Christian Institute, the group that paid for Mr Smith's legal case, welcomed the ruling.
Spokesman Mike Judge said: "This is a good day for free speech. But would Adrian have won his case if marriage had already been redefined? I don't think so. The Government should stop playing politics with marriage, because it's ordinary people like Adrian who'll get it in the neck."
Matthew Gardiner, chief executive at Trafford Housing Trust said: "We fully accept the court's decision and I have made a full and sincere apology to Adrian.
"At the time we believed we were taking the appropriate action following discussions with our employment solicitors and taking into account his previous disciplinary record.
"This case has highlighted the challenges that businesses face with the increased use of social media and we have reviewed our documentation and procedures to avoid a similar situation arising in the future. Adrian remains employed by the Trust and I am pleased this matter has now concluded."
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what do you think?

Peter Coates
I think we live in a police state now.

Mark Wood
Really?!

Brian E Gorton
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Adj Jackson
Never a truer word spoken brian

stevie may
Typical christian homophobia. Jesus never condemned g a y, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people - so why should christians do so ? Jesus himself would weep for such intolerance in his name.

Geoff
The Old Testament did though. And Jesus never voiced any objection to it.

stevie may
Yes he did geoff. . He said the only way to Heaven was through him. . And the way to do it was to LOVE

El Bubsio
Where in the old testament, Geoff?

Robinson56Chris
In a book written in mediaeval times, that's all you need to know.

Paul Croxton
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Chris Price
Leviticus18:22 says something along the lines of" a man shall not lay with another man as he would with a woman,this is *abomination*" Ive marked the word abomination because this word changes depending on which version of the bible you read. Some versions say abomination some say its a "detestable sin","detestable" or just "disgusting". Not only proving that leviticus was a massive homophobe he couldnt make his mind up when writting his book. So much for the bible being the word of god. Seeing as it can be altered to suit the reader

El Bubsio
Hi Chris, Yup, that's one of the 'examples' I was waiting for Geoff to trot out. There are however, more than a few theologians who reckon that the word abomination was mistranslated. Can't remember what the proper translation was, but the assertion is that it was considered pointless (in procreation terms) rather than wrong. Now all we need is for someone to bring up Sodom ;-)

Mark Wood
THe other point being missed here (other than the use or misuse of selctive texts to promote a particular view) is that the man in question hasn't necessarily said he as a problem with g a y relationships - just that it's wrong to change the traditional meaning of the word "marriage". It's perfectly possible to give g a y couples the rights they deserve, without having to redefine "marriage" in a way that undermines the beliefs of many Christian, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. Or don't feelings matter?

Mark Wood
Jesus didn't comment on jewish teaching against g a y men - one way or the other. The concepts of lesbainsim, biseuality and transgender people did not exist in that culture at that time. What he DID speak strongly about was marriage - placing much stronger emphsis on it's mean as a lifelong commitment between man and woman. It's very easy to claim "Jesus would have said/thought this". but from the evidence we have, he gave luittle room for reinventing marriage and no room at all for persecuting minorities - whether they be g a y people or any one else "different" from the majority

El Bubsio
Hi Mark, I'd be interested in hearing any quotes Jesus actually made about marriage being an absolute union between one man and one woman ONLY. After all, the Bible is full of examples of polygamous marriages. You also say he was against persecution of minorities, yet believe that he then makes an absolute statement about marriage that precludes same Sex marriage. That sounds a lot like persecution to me. After all, wasn't Jesus all about love and kindness? It seems odd then that he'd preclude an entire section of his followers from entering into a union of love. Like many things with the bible, people read vague statements and misinterpreted them to suit their own views.

Edgar Beckett
Ever more and more liberal, I wonder what people will be protesting about in 50 years time ?

stevie may
50 years time? The christian fundamentalists will have probably regressed so much that they start calling for witches to be burnt

Gordon Berry
in 50 years. Perhaps people will be protesting about the falling apart of society.

Chris Price
50 years? World fish stocks! seeing as thats how long they estimate that fish stocks will last at current rate of fishing using trawl netting

Robinson56Chris
Although I don't agree with him, I think it was ridiculous to have treated him like this. Aren't his colleagues able to debate with anyone over issues like this? As long as he didn't carry his discriminatory views over into dealing with g a y s in his work, what was the problem about him expressing his (in my view) objectionable views?

Mel Heatwole
Agreed. His views are old fashioned in my opinion, but he is still entitled to say his piece.

Lorgar Aurelian
Blimey Chris, we are in agreement!

Anthony Smith
Marriage is pointless whatever your preference.

Dave Harrison
Politically correct lunacy in full flow. Trafford politbureau would do well to stick to housing rather than force their biased political views on other people

t.bulgin
I agree Chris (twice in one week !). His views are valid ones because of his religeon. No one has to agree with him if they don't want to, and as you say, if it does not affect his dealings with homosexuals in his workplace then they really should have kept out of it.

ali baba
i just don't get why same sex couples wanna force their rights in church.

Gordon Berry
I am not sure that same sex couples want to force their rights in court. this has got out of proportion. cameron wants to change the marriage laws. Marriage when it was instituted was always between a man and a woman

Lorgar Aurelian
They need to be drama queens about something...

Dave Harrison
Ali. Usually its ga y activists who want to cause trouble like the two who set up the B&B owners quite recently. Most g ays just want to get on with their lives undisturbed

KneecapsNorman
good for him. i think it's disgusting the way his employers treated him and they should be held accountable.

t.bulgin
Yes, hideously left wing political correctness. And people say that the right wing are the nasty ones ! Incredible.

shirley sutton
If his comments weren't visible to the general public how did his bosses know?

Lorgar Aurelian
One of his 'collegues' grassed him up.

Paul Croxton
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ali baba
Same sex couples wanting to marry in church, is as stupid as me joining the BNP.

Lorgar Aurelian
"I may not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it" Smart fella was Voltaire.
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Chris Price
Criss cross? Weren't they a hip hop group from the early 90s? Had a song that went "criss cross gonna make ya jump jump...."?

James Henderson
He was entitled to his view and has rights the same as anyone else in this country. Of course free speech no longer exists and left wing councils, housing associations and other government funded public organisations have been infiltrated by fools and so called do gooders. Just because we do not agree with him does not mean he does not have the right to voice his opinion. He was not abusive or bad mouthed anyone. He had a point to raise due to his beliefs and raised it. The men and women in our armed services who died so we could have free speech would be turning in their graves. This country has went to the dogs. No wonder we are a laughing stock around the world

Louisa Gieldon
James, politically i am on the left of the spectrum, but i think this verdict was right and most of my left wing associates would agree.

t.bulgin
I agree James, more leftist oppression of valid opinions. This man was victimised because of his religeon. It is a total disgrace that this nasty left wing council have been allowed to get away with this kind of discrimination.

Dave Harrison
He was awarded a whole £100 and a cosmetic apology.. The commisars at Trafford Housing should have been ordererd to give him his original job back and pay up all his lost wages. That way they may think twice before trying to impose their left wing politically correct views on others. You can bet your life that had he discriminated against some client over this they would be falling over themselves to pay thousands out to them for hurt feelings. Organisations like this bring the whole idea of equality & fairness into disrepute

Louisa Gieldon
But Dave, it's not just those with left wing leanings that are dogmatic. Some of the nastiest people on this forum lean very distinctly to the right and we both know who they all are. If he had discriminated against anyone, it would have been entirely correct to use the force of law against him.

t.bulgin
I agree Dave, You can say what you like about homosexuality in their left wing pc dictatorship, unless your a Christian. A pathetic award.

Dave Harrison
Louisa. Very true and it is noteworthy that both your good self and Chris R while disagreeing with the mans opinions are not so blinkered as to go down the PC thought police type road Trafford housing did. Discrimination is unacceptable but differing opinions are not and the fools in this organisation have damaged the cause of fairness & equality

Dave Harrison
tb. Why are you not at the Emiratres or did you leave at halftime?

t.bulgin
Watched in on telly.....unfortunately : (

Louisa Gieldon
I do not share this man's opinions but i am very glad that he won his case. One's opinions are one's own. It is discriminatory actions that the law needs to concern it's self with, not personal opinions and thoughts. Not everyone will agree with our opinions and we should debate and dicuss, not do this to someone

Dave Harrison
Louisa. Absolutely right. Pity you didn't work for Trafford Housing, you might have been able to talk some sense into them before they embarked on this stupidity.

Peter Coates
Bet his boss was female.





Diane Rogers
11:12am on 16/11/2012
Good well done Mr Smith