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  • 15 February 2013, 19:30

Gay Marriage: Anger At David Jones' Comments

Welsh Secretary David Jones has provoked criticism after saying that same-sex partners could not provide a "warm and safe environment" to raise children.

The Conservative MP made the remarks when asked on ITV Wales' Face To Face programme about the Government's plans to introduce gay marriage, which he voted against.

He said: "I regard marriage as an institution that has developed over many centuries, essentially for the provision of a warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children, which is clearly something that two same-sex partners can't do."

The Prime Minister's spokesperson responded by saying David Cameron rejects Mr Jones' claims about children in same-sex families and that he is in favour of same-sex adoption.

"The Prime Minister believes gay families can provide warm and safe environment for raising children," the spokesperson said.

The shadow Welsh secretary, Owen Smith, claimed the comments proved that "nasty party is alive and well under David Cameron".

He said: "David Jones' comments are profoundly offensive and he should apologise immediately."

Equality campaigning group Stonewall have also attacked the Welsh Secretary's comments as "offensive and inaccurate".

David Jones' voted against gay marriage, in a free vote earlier this month along with one hundred and thirty six Conservative MPs.

He defended his position in a statement: "I made the point of stressing that I was fully supportive of committed same-sex relationships. I also strongly approve of civil partnerships.

"I simply sought to point out that, since same sex partners could not biologically procreate children, the institution of marriage was one that, in my opinion, should be reserved to opposite sex partners."

The equal marriage bill is passing through Parliament after gaining a 225-majority on February 5, though it is likely to face more opposition in the House of Lords later this year.

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7 comments

Slack Nancy

5:53pm on 15/2/2013

Crazy... If marriage is only for people who can procreate, then by this statement any opposite sex couples who can't have kids should not be allowed to marry too... Which is obviously absolute rubbish. And as for same sex couples not giving children a safe and loving environment, there'd be a public outcry if he said that about anyone else esp. racial 'minorities'

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d and d Phillips

6:32pm on 15/2/2013

I thought the item said there is a public outcry. well a loud outcry from very vocal members of a certain outlook.

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davenlesley

6:35pm on 15/2/2013

d&d. That is about right .Most people aren't bothered one way or another

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Slack Nancy

6:35pm on 15/2/2013

Anyone got the stones to reply rather than just give a thumbs down?

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Daniel smith

10:12pm on 15/2/2013

Lol

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Louisa Gieldon

7:30pm on 18/2/2013

Agree Nancy. I agree that we all have the right to a private opinion but think that politicians should zip their mouths rather than make statements like this one. I think his words were ignorant and inflammatory and an absolute insult to every g.ay couple bringing up kids in a loving, caring environment

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Paul Grice

6:09pm on 15/2/2013

Why is it they can use the word in the news item but we can't use it when making a comment

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Slack Nancy

6:19pm on 15/2/2013

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blue side

10:02pm on 15/2/2013

It called 'Do as we say NOT as we do'

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Laura Speck

10:43am on 16/2/2013

I had that too. Very odd!

Louisa Gieldon

7:26pm on 18/2/2013

Paul you've been commenting on here long enough to know the words that are banned and how to get around that ban. Laura it does seem illogical but it's obviously because of the way some people use certain words as an insult - play about with the letters or put a hyphen or full stop in the middle.

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d and d Phillips

6:52pm on 15/2/2013

I understood that the vote in Parliament was a free vote, ie: that members could vote in accordance with their beliefs and their conscience. Mr Jones did that and he is entitled to his views, no less than anybody else. It's interesting that those who squeal about the equality issue are less inclined to approve of free expression when it does not accord with their own.

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Paul Grice

7:08pm on 15/2/2013

You have it the nail on the head . The problem hear is that the minority rules the majority in this country and if you don't fall in behind the PC brigade your labeled accordingly

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blue side

10:04pm on 15/2/2013

d and d its strange how they can make different rules to match their views.

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Laura Speck

10:40am on 16/2/2013

People are entitled to their own view. The problem comes when their views are at the expense of others. I appreciate this comparison is way over the top, but Hitler had his own view too. There are good and bad in every sector of life. Some same sex couples wouldn't make good parents in exactly the same way some straight people wouldn't. It's about not making sweeping generalisations without the facts. Especially when you're a public figure representing the views of other people too.

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Louisa Gieldon

7:23pm on 18/2/2013

Agree with Laura on this. I personally have nerver had a problem with people expressing views that are different to my own, as long as the views are expressed politely and logically. I often find on here that this is not the case. Everyone is entitled to their views on this issue but that is not the same as denying equality to all sectors of society.

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shaun spencer

7:00pm on 15/2/2013

Im not bothered about same sex marriage or adoption come to that, but not in the church.

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blue side

10:08pm on 15/2/2013

The issue is not about whether the child gets the love and care but the influence presented by what is supposedly a role model - sorry not comfortable with this one

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johnny_1234

12:05am on 16/2/2013

i totally agree with this david jones person

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Jeffrey Gwynn

9:05am on 16/2/2013

So do I, johnny.

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Peter Coates

1:03pm on 16/2/2013

Difficult explaining to the child which one of them gave birth.

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