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Gay Marriage: Tories Call For Delay To Vote
Around 180 Conservative MPs are reportedly poised to oppose or abstain in a vote on gay marriage to be held on Tuesday.
MPs will vote on the proposals, which will also allow civil partners to convert their partnership to a marriage and enable married people to change their legal gender without having to end their union, for the first time when the Bill has its second reading on Tuesday.
Backbenchers have made no secret of their opposition to the move and were left even more angered when the Tory leadership made clear earlier this week it would not include marriage tax breaks in next month's budget - something that would have been seen as a concession to disgruntled traditionalists.
Twenty five chairmen or former chairmen of Conservative Party associations have written a letter to the Prime Minister warning him that the policy will cause "significant damage" at the ballot box.
The letter calls for a decision to be postponed until after the 2015 general election.
It closes by saying: "Resignations from the Party are beginning to multiply and we fear that, if enacted, this Bill will lead to significant damage to the Conservative Party in the run up to the 2015 election."
David Cameron views the introduction of same-sex marriage as the "Conservative Party delivering the promise it made".
But Geoffrey Vero from Conservative Grassroots told Sky News: "It's very dangerous to scratch the core beliefs of many people and this is a matter which should be taken much more slowly and debated across the country."
Minister for culture Ed Vaizey said he did not think the issue would tear the Tory party apart and told Sky News he thought it was a "civilised debate".
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt, a big supporter of reforms, said: "Every year thousands of people choose to marry in a church rather than a registry office because they believe marriage is sacred. Religious freedom is not just for heterosexuals - we should not deny anyone the right to make a lifelong commitment to another person in front of God if that is what they believe and that is what their church allows."
Education Secretary Michael Gove has also thrown his support behind the proposed legalisation of same-sex marriage and promised teachers would not be disciplined for refusing to promote it.
Concerns have been raised ahead of the Commons vote that thousands of teachers could face the sack because they object to the new law.
But Mr Gove made clear that while teachers would have to explain that it is legal, they would not be required to actively promote it.
Writing in today's Mail on Sunday, Mr Gove explained his stance, saying it was wrong to say to gay men and women that their love is less legitimate.
He said: "It's wrong to say that because of how you love and who you love, you are not entitled to the same rights as others. It's wrong because inequality is wrong."
He continued: "Marriage is not undermined by extending it to gay people - it is reinforced by including everyone equally."
Environment Secretary Owen Paterson and Welsh Secretary David Jones are expected to vote against the plans while Defence Secretary Philip Hammond will vote against or abstain and Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith is poised to abstain, according to The Sunday Telegraph.
Tony and Barrie Drewitt-Barlow are gay Christians who would like to marry in their local church where their five children were baptised. Tony said: "It's just about fairness, it's just about being the same as everybody else. We're not asking for more than anyone else, just the same."
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what do you think?
Love is love, it doesnt matter what sex your are its still a union of two people in love.i dont think anyone can object to such a union as it is their business and their lives, but they shouldnt be allowed to get married in church as that is the churches business and the churches beliefs and its main foundation the bible clearly states homosexiality is abominable in the eyes of god.so if the church allows such unions it will be break its own laws and undermime everything the church stands for.the bible also says we shall not kill, will it change this in time to mean its okay to kill.
agree love is love but i dont want to see same sex marriages in church
No andrea.im not religeous but i think can be of great comfort to people in bad times and a good role model.though if this happens it will mean the church moving the goal posts.which makes me wonder how many times the goalposts have been moved in the past and lost in translation.
Im not sure how someone could change their gender, but this could be very useful,because if i changed my gender i could retire earlier and get a bus pass earlier.i could strip off in public and not get so harshly treated for indecent exposure.but best of all i could join the local womans rugby club and legitimatly be allowed into the after match showers.
Also when im in a bad mood i can claim my hormones are to blame.obviously i have put this idea to my other half, who seemed to quickly dissmiss my idea of changing my gender.but theres not much she can do as this will be a breach of my human rights
ha ha ha Shaun. No you would definitely not want to be a woman. We no longer get retirement earlier. As for hormones it is not called the "monthly curse" for nothing, plus if men had to have babies then the population would die out 'cos they couldn't stand the pain. Anyway you have made me smile Shaun. In my next life I'm coming back as a fella 'cos when you want to wee you can just get out and stand up against a wall whereas we women have a right palavar.
Oh i didnt think of the baby bit.hmmmm dont like the idea of that.dont like the idea of that at all.
OH NO!! my other half has just announced that she also wants to change gender.gosh this has all sorts of complications.it would mean the kids calling me mummy and my other half daddy.this would be confusing.but most of all id be sleeping in bed with A FELLA.
Is there really this overwhelming desire for g ay people to get married in church or is it more a case that beacause they can't that they are causing all this fuss to prove a point? In the name of equality, I am a white Englishman and will be 48 come the Brazilian Olympics and I will be running in the 100m final, this has nothing to with ability or indeed me wanting to do it but it is my human right to be allowed to do it, so there.
Pete- lets go with that analogy.....as a 48 year old it is likely that Olympic selection will not happen as you will not achieve the standard of excellence required. People who have trained and are better runers will be selected oer you.That is clearly not a breach of your human rights as no one has the "right" to represent their country in th 100m final. Getting married, as far as i know, involves no athletic ability never mind sporting excellence, indeed no excellence of any kind. All that is required is that you love your partner and wish this to be recognised in the same way as other couples. It's not interfering with anyone's human rights.
Isnt it ironic that so many tories are anti g ay yet most of them went to boarding school and probably had their first sexual experience in the dorms with people of the same gender. . Hypocrites
I think you may have listended tyo too many people who know nothing about Boarding school!
Pillow fights in the dorms, midnight raids on the tuck shop, and not forgeting spying through keyholes to see Matron's surgical stockings. . . Cold showers, bromide in your cocoa and same sex relationships between the Prefects and the 'fags'. . . Glad I went to a comprehensive
It is also ironic that most voted against female's becoming Bishops in the Church. Funny that?
Also, going off on a tangient, why is this the ONLY new news story on orange world since last THURSDAY!?!?! Have you seen the other stories? I've been told about G Bush's dog dying every other day! Is this because nothing has happend in the world or just lazy poor journalism? Rant over.
Orange are very slow at the moment.hume has pleaded guilty for perverting the cause of justice which obviously means a jail term.yet orange havent put it on here.
It'll be Lord Huhne very soon. With all the other disgraced Lords...More follows lol
Have you not caught onto Orange`s main purpose ? to promote " Modern Liberal Issues " ? Multi-culturism immigration Atheism Same sexism Make prison as much like home as possible
please orange.put on some up to date news.
And dont forget the confirmation of the skeleton in Leicestershire as King Richard III - Bury him in Yorkminster with white roses, with all the respect he deserves. Dont believe the Tudor propaganda
The Hume issue is on Orange, just commented on it
Im white male ,english and heterosexual, im thinking im not normal and in the minority, so i would like to know whats happened to my human rights
I'm beginning to think we are now being classed as freaks of nature.
Shaun which of your human rights do you feel is not being allowed to you?
shaun, i am also a white, english, hetrosexual male. and i have known for a long time that i am a minority. and at the bottom of the pile when it comes to rights.
Then i'll ask you Johnny. Which human rights to you feel have been denied you?
Should wait for Jesus to come down, see if he is alright with it. the thing that really gets me, is why would any g@y couple want to be married under an institution that is so clearly against their ways. Not long ago they were been shown the rope by the church. Why why why.
Of course Jesus would be ok with it. Jesus had one message. Love. He never advocated stoning people to death unlike other prophets. Love and peace ali. . .
Mmmmm Christians so peaceful
Its because they want to be normal.read the last paragraph.lol
I'm sure JC would be relaxed about it. I've asked g.ay friends the same question and they say they love their church and want it to love and accept them. In the same way they were nervous of rejection when they first came out to their family and friends.
louisa coming out to your friends and family is different then forcing a religion to accept your ways when clearly in its teaching it is anti same sex. truth is religion is dated, lets just move on....
Ali i never said the two things were exactly the same. My point was that it feels better to be accepted than not, nothing else.
Jeremy Hunt shows his ignorance when he refers to a registry office. There is no such place as a registry office, it is a register office.
When did it change ?
always been a registry office as far as i know. i got married in one, 2nd time round.
The correct term is the registrar's office.
"registrar" is what i've always thought was correct.
I always thought that 'registry office' was almost like a countrywide slang term for a 'registrar office'. Could be wrong though :0(
This reminds me of an odd incident that me and my freinds and other members of the public had one day.a g.ay couple were walking along the beach prominade in high summer with many tourists around and the g.ay couple were holding hands, obviously this is an unusual sight here in rural devon and it caused peaple around to comment and smirk.all of a sudden one of the g.ay men attacked a tourist and was using his fists to hit the tourist and was pulled off him by me and my freinds.the g.ay man was angry about this tourist smirking.anyway the fight was split up and the g.ay couple went off hand in hand.later the police turned up and told about twenty odd people off for being homophobic including us and many tourists around at the time of the incident.later when i thought about the incident i couldnt decide who was in the wrong here,us smirking or the g.ay couple holding hands in public causing people to smirk or the g.ay man attacking a tourist and phoning the police about it.
I wasn't there so it's hard to comment. Maybe the smirking was very overt and offensive, maybe someone said something, maybe the g.ay couple had just had enough with the comments and the smirking and blew a gasket. It's never right to hurt someone physically but nor is it right to laugh in a g.ay couple's face. I applaud them for holding hands in public. In Edinburgh we have been seeing g.ay couples hold hands and give each other pecks for a few years now. The younger ones are more relaxed and good on them. It doesn't offend me - i thinkit's nice
the g a y man should DEFINATELY have been done for assault. you can't go round attacking people just because they're smirking at you. just because they are g a y, does that make them above the law.
I dont know. . Why do you like it?
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i think we all have a bit of g@y tendencies in all honesty but its our conditioning that makes us think different. they say before religion and teaching, people were all over one another
Human sexuality is a spectrum but society demands that we are put into categories so that dullards can better understand it Ali. We are all at different points on that spectrum. depending on the circumstances of the time and we are all capable of moving along that spectrum.
exactly Louisa a spectrum and 99% are somewhere in the middle, but conditioning makes us choose. left or right. we should learn to love whatever we feel is kind and good to us, rather then conform. even g@y people have rules that they don't like bisexuals blah blah
speak for yourselves. i have absolutely no g a y tendencies and never have had. i think a small number of ppl are born g a y and the rest of them are just trying to be modern.
john i have no g@y tendencies but i have been taught to like women, if we had no teaching whatsoever , we would be totally different creatures. we are after all just animals. we would probs sleep with our relatives also
Johnny that's what a spectrum is all about! We're all on different places on it. As for being modern - thats a bit of an extreme way to prove your modernity! Do you honestly think that people would puy themselves out on a limb and embrace a whole lifestyle just to be fashionable? It involves a bit more than having the latest hair do!
orange why did you make me remove g.a.y. when its in title.???
If we have to wait until after the next general election for a vote on the EU, we can wait for this as well. Now, get on with running the country Cameron, and stay at home for a while!
well said, put the country right first cameron not this nonesense.
How can it be nonsense when it's so important to so many people Andrea. Think of something that you long for and imagine it from that perspective please. You think it's "nonsense" because you feel it doesn't afect you, but that seems so selfish when to others it matters so much.
well said david and andrea.
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What is wrong with this country. This is not a big deal. It is a free vote and therefore all parties will be split. All three 'main' political parties support g*y marriage. It is not taking up much time of the government. The outcome will be a clear yes or no, with an opt out clause for the bigoted homophibic religions. This has been blown all out of proportion by the press and homophobes. Can't wait to ednesday when it is all over.
An " Opt out " clause ! The next step will be to abolish that or legalise rape, male and female types of course.
Pj how can you equate the wish to be able to marry the person you love with the wish to be able to rape legally? One is the expression of love (whether you agree with that or not) and the other is a violent and degrading act which ruins lives. What sort of logic is that? It doesn't make any sense to me to take the debate in that direction
The logic is that Modern Liberalism knows no bounds, the powers that be in this country seem to love stirring up controversy. I am quite content to allow G.*ys to do as they please provided they dont want me to join in. Are you aware that only certain judges are approved of to try rape cases ?
Just because people think more liberal doesn't mean they don't know right from wrong !!!
I read elsewhere that the driving force behind this legisation is actually Mrs Cameron. Can't we just have the vote, have the legislation rejected and then get on with geting the economy sorted out?
Who cares !!!! Just do what makes you happy in life !!! If your not hurting any body does it really matter !!!! And the church are the biggest bunch of hypocrites there is the things they have done to people because people haven't done things the way they believe is shocking !!!! So why is this up for debate or is it people using religion and politics for their on biggoted views ? I'm straight and really don't mind if g@y couples get married where they want.
This is too big an issue to be decided by a bunch of crackpots calling themselves politicians it really needs the approval of the people of this country. Their arrogance to assume the country is totally behind them on this issue astounds me.