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- 14 January 2013, 3:36
India Gang Rape: New Attack On Bus Passenger
Six men have been arrested after a woman travelling on a bus in India was gang-raped - just weeks after a similar attack provoked outrage.
The latest victim had boarded the bus to her village when she was abducted and taken on a motorbike to a house in Gurdaspur district, bordering the city of Amritsar, in the northern Punjab province.
The driver and conductor were joined by another five men and they took it in turns to rape the woman throughout Friday night, before she was dropped off at her village in the morning.
Police officer Raj Jeet Singh said a seventh suspect was being hunted.
"After raping the victim throughout the night, one of the accused dropped her near her in-laws' house the next morning where she narrated the whole incident to her sister-in-laws," he said.
The extent of the victim's injuries are yet to be established.
Last month a 23-year-old medical student died after being gang-raped on a bus in Delhi, sparking nationwide protests about violence against women.
The five men charged with murder over the December 16 attack appeared in court for the first time on Monday.
The victim, and her male companion who was beaten up by the assailants, were thrown off the moving bus. She died in hospital 13 days later.
The accused, who could face the death penalty if convicted, are also charged with kidnap, robbery and conspiracy.
There is a sixth suspect who claims he is 17 - if this is confirmed, he is likely to be tried in a juvenile court where the maximum sentence is three years in a reform facility.
Protesters have called for the police to be more vigilant and sensitive to the growing incidence of sexual assault.
Sky's India correspondent Alex Rossi said the latest attack was "strikingly similar" to the Delhi rape - but it remains to be seen if it will prompt demonstrations on the same scale.
He said: "The woman has been sent for a medical examination, and they have started the wheels of justice.
"The alleged culprits will appear in court on either Monday or Tuesday."
what do you think?
Richard Gould
Until the Indian authorities crack down on this and bring in proper legislation India should be banned from both the diplomatic world stage and the UN. They should also be subjected to a trade embargo just as other countries have been for failing to ensure all people's human and legal rights are upheld.
Dr_MonicaKh
88,000 rapes happen in this country. Should we also face similar sanctions? The libor scandal happened here too, which was wreckless..again sanctions for us too?
Dr_MonicaKh
What sanctions for the US? You know given their gun problem and the fact that 200,000 rapes occur on a yearly basis?
Dr_MonicaKh
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faiq mir
Momo i deal with these people day to day basis....they will always blame everyone else and look at how crap and inhumane everyone else is....yet they forget what is going on in there onw country....these people are hypocrites!!
Richard Gould
MoMo, the point is that legislation exists in this country to try and deal with the problem. It is not built into this culture to treat women as second class citizens and sex objects to the degree with which it happens in India. We must not forget that India is a country where you are confined to a position in society dependant on your caste and you are not allowed to cross into another. Is that civilised??? The UK is not perfect but the country and it's authorities go a long way to remove the inequalities and discrimination which is so rife elsewhere. As far as the policing in India - If you have enough money, you can do what you want.
Louisa Gieldon
Richard, rape occurs in every country of the world, including our own. What embargos and exclusions would you like the uk to be punished with?
Louisa Gieldon
Richard the caste system is cruel and wrong. Activists within India are fighting this and one day it will be history. Generally in India. women are well treated and respected. The rise of fundamentalist Islam is problematic to women's rights and interpretation of the koran is skewed by power seeking paternalististic men. But it wrong to generalise and not recognise that men in our own country sometimes still treat women as decorative objects who should not have opinions or be treated with sexual respect.
Dr_MonicaKh
These folks were of a Hindu religious background, not Islamic.
Richard Gould
Most respondents appear to have missed my point where I say that the UK suffers from similar problems but the authorities are pro-active in addressing them and are supported by the legal system and the Police. In India there is not the same drive to address the issues and the caste system and social structure does not lend itself to positive actions to address such activities.
Diane Rogers
Richard I wouldn't bother all some want to talk about is what goes on in this country.Not what the news story is about
Louisa Gieldon
Mo Mo i know they were Hindu. I was making a more general point in answer to the points raised about the treatment of women in "these" countries
davenlesley
Richard. You are so right to highlight the caste system in India which is aparthied in its worst form. For many years pressure was put on South Africa for reform by all and sundry whilst they happily ignored the repression which had been going on for so much longer in India. This was regarded as the culture and must not be interfered with by white outsiders. Well it is time it was
Louisa Gieldon
Richard i totally agree about the caste system and the misery and social divicion it causes. But i feel that this country is also unsafe. And as for keeping it's citizens safe. This country didn't exactly keep Savile's victims safe. They were failed by fellow citizens, the police, the justice system.
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Dr_MonicaKh
Great bit slander here.
Dr_MonicaKh
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Dr_MonicaKh
Oh and given the legitimate fact that there is a notorious list of sexual offences carried out by the ethnicity known as 'British white,' your point is not inflammatory but also moot.
Diane Rogers
Mo mo, What about the asian gangs in England grooming young girls not British white! !!
Dr_MonicaKh
Well I'm certainly not denying that. Horrendous as it is, you simply cannot say there is a problem within a certain area without looking at the larger picture here
Byron Eckhardt
Looking at the larger picture moo,in some parts of Asia womenhave to cover themselfs up completely and are not allowed out without a male chaperone,any that do are regarded as prostitutes,and the male isn't at fault if he rapes her,I am glad my daughter's are English.
Diane Rogers
Mo mo. What we are saying in a lot of countries not uk or us it's the attitude they have to women. Byron well said
faiq mir
Woow look at the hypicrosy...of you guys....report on here yesterday that 95 000women got raped in uk....instead of dealing with the core issues...you idiots are blaming asians...blaming everyone else instead of looking within your own street....what about the huge number of white people who are peadophiles....another report on orange news few weeks ago....95% of sex crimes commited in uk is by the white person....please dont blame other ppl when you guys have problems yoyr self
Diane Rogers
Faqir we are not denying things happen in England. It's the attitude some races have to women.What is being discussed here is TWO cases of gang rape in India in a short space of time
faiq mir
You talk about attitude towards women in different countries? How would you sum up the attitude of this country when 95 00 women get raped...500 000 women are subjected to some sort of sexual violence..and please let ne remind you these figues are of the women who have reported these incidents....sooo pleaseeeeee dont talk abot attitude about other countries....these high rapes that occur in uk usa india and other countries .. We should nt point fingers...but look at y do men tink its ok to do this....
faiq mir
Nd seriously how and y do u bring race in dis subject? would it open your eyes if i give you figures the white men have done in terms of rape, abuae, nd paedophilia....the point im trying make is....every race has some messed up people....instead of ilustrating that point you lot alwats blame other races as they are a backwards....
faiq mir
Hahah awesome so knw you saying in dis country rapes are not as high cuz they have been made up...woow look at your self....and im calling people like you idiots for labelling everyone else inhumane yet yoy dont look at whats happening in uk....woow ive spoke the truth and im told to leave dis country...lol hahaha
Dr_MonicaKh
Er Diane, you've misinterpreted Faqir. He never stated he disliked England. I certainly don't dislike the country of my birth. However he does make a good point. It is not an intelligible trait to generalise Byron and Diane. Logical fallacies don't form legitimate points
Diane Rogers
You are not getting it we are not denying things happen here you bought race into it saying most rapes here are committed by white men.We are discussing what has happened in India stop trying to deflect from that
faiq mir
I was giving you simple facts...byron and steve needed answering with facts as they tink tink all dese 'hungry wolfs' are doing the same in this country....and please let me remind you brought the asian gangs story into this article....so pleaseeeeeeee...neway untill we have a strong punishment, a strong deterent...these crimes will always happen
Diane Rogers
Strong punishment is needed in India as rhat what the thread is about.The first case ended in a death.That does not happen here
Diane Rogers
Hardly the same those girls went to the hotel room willingly not like the women in India
Dr_MonicaKh
Rape doesn't end in death? Oh Diane, you clearly aren't aware of the repercussions of rape.
Diane Rogers
Do you
Louisa Gieldon
Diane are you seriously saying that women are never raped and killed in this country? If so you are very very wrong.
Diane Rogers
No I am not but this thread is about India and the two cases of GANG rape in a short space of time and the treatment of women in that country.I know thungs happen here.But some want to deflect from whatchas happened in India
faiq mir
Wooow diane uve shocked me mre den neone here So going to hotel is a green light to get gang rapped? I better not book premier inn for my weekend get away....
Diane Rogers
Tagleattelius.No have you got a problem with white English people like me
Dr_MonicaKh
Diane, why do you continue to generalise? Do you have an agenda? We understand this heinous act is terrible, but you seem to want to taint an entire population based on the actions of mindless individuals.
Diane Rogers
Forgot you can generalise about english people but but we can't even though a lot not all treat women disgustingly
Dr_MonicaKh
I wasn't, I merely pointed out your logical fallacies and lack of rational.
Louisa Gieldon
Diane, India is a huge country and extremely heavily populated, so two similar crimes within a month is, statistically, negligible. I feel that everytime anyone challenges your racism you ask them if they hate english people. The point about not being racist is that you do not generalise and hate a group of people because of their ethnicity. Niether do you think yourself better than other races because you happened to be born in England.
Diane Rogers
India is a highly populated country but that does not excuse these crimes. I am not racist as you suggest and I certainly do not think being English makes me better than anyone else. This thread is not about what you think about me is it. How some men treat women in other countrys is disgusting.That is what rhis thread is about
Valerie Wood
It really doesn't matter what country or what nationality the men are who carry out rape, the fact is that in the 21st century no woman should feel threatened or be treated like a cheap piece of meat. Thank goodness not all men treat women without respect
Louisa Gieldon
Last time i looked, this thread was about another incidence of gang rape, but your opinions are being questioned because of your comments and your beliefs that such horrible things don't happen here. They do Diane!
Diane Rogers
I have never said crimes like don't happen here.My point is some men in some countries treat women like pieces of meat to what they want with. The news article was about another gang rape so is no one allowed to comment about the other gang rape in the same coutry
jane cumming
As a woman id feel safer in britain then i would in india and i think all woman would say the same no matter what race, religion they are.
Brian Quinn
The Death Penalty seems just in this case.
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Dr_MonicaKh
The perpetrators were Hindu not Muslim.
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HARLEY1974
Black,white,Asian,green or purple-it does'nt matter what colour the skin is,rape is a crime and no woman should be subjected to it.
Angela Gildea
Rape is rape regardless of where it takes place, whether it is one men or ten men and whether it results on death, a pregnancy or not or even if it's a women, man or child who is the victim. I hope these men are brought to justice and am disgusted that the media likes to use the sex sells line with headlines such as this to sensalionlize a ghastly act. I can't help but think the media gives wicked people ideas. I hope laws and punishment are justly served on anyone who violates someone. .
denisparsons
Decapitate the ba....s.
shirley sutton
Any man who rapes a woman should be castrated no matter what colour they are or what country they're in - simple!!!!!!
Steve
I totaly agree shirley,i have never raised my hand to a woman never mind raped one.The people who indulge in such sick practises are just sick cowards who dont deserve to breathe.
Louisa Gieldon
It is far from simple Shirley. To support the gruesome punishment you suggest would be completely brutal , in my opinion. We are judged by our thoughts and our actions and this is a repellent idea. Almost as repellent as the original crime. To be civilised is to rise above that sort of brutality. Incidentally, who would you have carry out the castration?
GillieLouise
My post was removed for saying just that Shirley.... I do agree with you no matter what colour or creed the men are. Sadly, so many women have cried rape and have lied. Gang rape is just horrendous and should not be tolerated in any country.
bjnk
Shirley, you could not apply that to every case,believe it or not there are cases where conviction figures mean more than what actually took place,or was said to have taken place and someone undeservedly serves a sentence and put on the sex offenders list. have to agree with Louisa and somewhat Gillie,maybe the case could be argued for persistant offenders.
jane cumming
As a woman thats travalled around many countrys alone ive got to say there are certain countrys i wouldnt want to go alone visiting and im afraid india would be one of them.even more so after recent events.this is what i think diane is trying to say on here.
Diane Rogers
Thank you Jane.That is it India and some other places are not safe for women.Friends I have coffee with were in India on holiday last year, the lady said she did not feel safe in certain parts even with her husband
Louisa Gieldon
I have to disagree. Many women travel to India and feel very safe and looked after by the indian people. I have several friends who have been many times and have told me this. Young women can get groped a bit but other indians will intervene and admonish the culprits. I think it depends on your personality and attitude to this kind of thing. Also if you learn the do's and dont's before you go, then that helps. Although i have never been myself, though i am planning to visit later this year, I have women friends who have been there many times and would urge people to visit what they describe as a wonderful and friendly country
bjnk
Louisa, so what your saying is its ok to get groped a bit in India as long as you go there with that expectation and dont take it seriously, surely they are sexual preditors and would be classed as pariah's in this country and arrested.
Eric Coster
Our Country is relatively safe due to our social cohesion, but with many people being allowed here for cheap labour, and coming from counties where no such sense of social belonging exists, I'm afraid these people see us as soft targets that are discouraged from fighting back. Hence the increase in crime, ask an off duty Policeman!
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movvi
I can't get into any debate about Indians per se or a whole country's attitude - there are just so many differing ones within one country. What I do feel, however, is that this crime needs punishing severely - whether the perpetrators were black, purple or sky-blue-pink. It's not a race issue - it's a crime issue.
Diane Rogers
8:45am on 13/1/2013
What is wrong with the men over there. Hang these as well the police will know who the driver and conductor were if they were involved.
Diane Rogers
10:37am on 13/1/2013
To the person who gave the thumbs down.Do you agree wirh treating women like this come out and give your reasons. Or is it the person who put original post ME. That is very sad
stevie may
11:13am on 13/1/2013
Every rightminded person agrees with your comment Diane. . There are some Trolls on Orange World who like to vote people down just so they can feel big. They dont have any intellectual or moral substance. Ignore them, its the only thing to do. I agree that these monsters should face execution
Vladtheinhaler .
11:16am on 13/1/2013
Diane, there are Indian men in this country who would do the same to our women, (have done, i mean ). Probably one of those lot who gave you the thumbs down. I would personally pull the lever that sent them to their death, if i could. Hang them all in the streets.
Vladtheinhaler .
11:18am on 13/1/2013
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Gordon Wright
11:28am on 13/1/2013
Diane, I agree with your sentiments and my first reaction would also be to hang them. However, it would be wise to bear in mind , if you introduce the death penalty for rape, then you hand these gangs an incentive to murder their victims. They will think they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by removing the chief witness against them. In the case of the other gang, since they also committed murder, then yes, the death penalty is entirely appropriate...........
Dr_MonicaKh
11:44am on 13/1/2013
Again, heinous crime, however one must not forget the problem with in our country too. Taking into account the 88,000 rapes that occur here every year. Rape unfortunately is abundant everywhere. India isn't the only place where this happens
shirley sutton
11:51am on 13/1/2013
Sorry Gordon whatever deterrent they have over there isn't working so hanging for this type of brutal crime seems best option. To do it again after all the outrage of the other case doesn't seem to deter them and as for the people in this country who do sort of thing they should be castrated
Diane Rogers
11:54am on 13/1/2013
Mo mo.yes it does happen everywhere unfortunately but gang rape is something different 6 men against one women
Dr_MonicaKh
11:59am on 13/1/2013
Diane, gang rape is abundant in the US. It can happen anywhere and unfortunately does, which is appalling. But again this situation here like every other situation needs to be tackled with the same impetus.
Diane Rogers
12:16pm on 13/1/2013
Mo mo we are not talking about us or uk this has happened twice in a short space of time. Rape does occur in those countries but overall British men here have more respect for women
Dr_MonicaKh
12:59pm on 13/1/2013
Bad eggs aka misogynists exist everywhere. This isn't unique to India.
Gordon Wright
2:46pm on 13/1/2013
Shirley, Read your comment with interest and once again, I agree entirely with the sentiments expressed. However, I would point out once again, if you start executing people for the crime of rape, you are actively encouraging them to murder their victims. You then create an actual incentive in the rapist to kill the victim and increase his chances of "getting away with it". He has "nothing to lose and everything to gain" I have nothing against the death penalty as a punishment but it's use in rape cases would be most unwise It is bad enough that women are being raped in this way, let us not see them murdered as well.............
Louisa Gieldon
3:03pm on 13/1/2013
Diane gang rape happens here too. And not just committed by asian men. There have been numerous cases of gang rape perpetrated by white british men. You call for the death penalty for rape. Extensive research, by people who work with sex offenders, strongly indicates that to raise the tariff would mean meny more women are raped and killed rather than being raped and survive the attack. The perpetrators would feel that they have nothing to lose by "finishing the job" if the penalties are the same.
Louisa Gieldon
3:16pm on 13/1/2013
Stevie i consider myself to be a rational and right minded person. I do not agree with the death penalty for murder so i will certainly oppose it for other crimes, no matter how heinous they are. To call for the execution of these terrible men does not give you the monopoly on morality. It is perfectly possible to be appalled at horrific cruelty and not wish for execution of the perpetrators
happymike CHESTER
4:15pm on 13/1/2013
Don`t why your getting thumbs down there must be sick (censored) on here trying to form a lobby group.
steve devrell
6:51pm on 13/1/2013
Gunga's argument about rape happening in this country is a flimsy one. Yes I agree that heinous crimes are committed all over the world, but in India we are highlighting a cultural crime which is far more difficult to deal with. Until these cultures respect the equality of woman in society, these ignorant men will continue with their despicable abuse of women. We must not use depraved cultural practices as some kind of justification.