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Living Wage: Ed Miliband Wants Pay Shake-Up

Labour leader Ed Miliband has vowed to deliver a "living wage" to millions of people if he wins power at the next election.
The wage - the minimum rate deemed necessary for an acceptable standard of living - is a key plank of Mr Miliband's "One Nation" vision for the country.
The rates were raised on Monday to £7.45 for outside London and £8.55 inside the capital.
This is significantly higher than the minimum wage, which currently stands at £6.19 per hour for over 21s and even less for teenagers.
Labour is looking at three ways to make the new pay terms the norm, including naming and shaming listed companies who do not comply.
Firms who fail to pay enough could also be blocked from Whitehall contracts, while Treasury-funded incentives could go to higher paying companies.
The Opposition leader is believed to have worked closely with his brother David on the strategy, in a sign relations between the pair are finally thawing.
He met with leaders of Labour local authorities across the UK who are already implementing the pay structure.
He said: "Too many people in Britain are doing the right thing and doing their bit, helping to build the prosperity on which our country depends, but aren't sharing fairly in the rewards.
"It's not how it should be in Britain, it's not how we will succeed as a country in the years ahead because we can't go on with an economy that works for a few at the top and not for most people. We need to change it."
He continued: "It is only a Labour government that will address the living standards crisis faced by so many.
"Even when money is tight and Britain is run by a Tory-led government, Labour councils have been driving the living wage forward. First in London and now across Britain.
"There are already scores of British businesses who are saying that the living wage makes sense for them because it improves staff retention and reduces absence rates.
"We will learn from them and find ways to help other businesses become living-wage employers."
Mayor of London Boris Johnson announced the new rate for London and called for it to be paid by all local authorities in the capital and across Whitehall.
He warned that some employers would find it difficult to pay the sum which he said was why he wanted the rate to remain voluntary.
No Conservative-controlled council has signed up so far and the Greater London Authority is only in the process of being accredited.
New figures released on Monday show that the Living Wage campaign has lifted 45,000 people out of working poverty since its launch in 2001.
But a report last week showed nearly five million workers - one in five - are paid less and suggested they are being hardest hit by the economic squeeze.
Organisations that are now officially accredited include KPMG, Birmingham City Council and Save the Children. Barclays has paid it in London since 2007.
TUC general secretary-designate Frances O'Grady said: "It is essential that more companies follow suit. We want millions to benefit from a living wage, not thousands.
"It is simply not good enough for large companies to plead poverty at a time when their cash reserves are increasing.
"Employers who pay the Living Wage will find it much easier to recruit and retain good staff. The extra pay in the pockets of low-paid workers will also help inject much-needed consumer demand back into our economy."
The Institute for Fiscal Studies estimates that every person moved onto the living wage would save the Treasury around £1,000 in tax credits and from increased taxes.
what do you think?

peter
Good old Miliband - I'll tell him what - I will give my staff the 7.45 per hour (They are on slightly less than that) BUT - I will stop the free health care that I give to them. Stop the monthly bonuses for keeping their vehicles clean. Reduce their hours to just 40 per week - I can get Sub Contractors to do their job for less. Stop the private pension, and go onto the NEST system. Stop their Christmas bonus of 500 quid. Better still, get rid of the staff and use Sub Contractors. Miliband - you are an oaf, if you think that scheme will work for everyone, and I don't think you are that daft.

stephen
peter why don't you leave this country it doesn't need people like . Victorian peter

johnmstg42ml
Surely if all these extras bring their wages upto or over the 7.45 per hour then whats your problem. Any business whose employees have to receive working tax credits is a business that is not competative, and is basically being susidised by the tax payer.

leslie lee
so you do pay the min wage but offer carrots ? in any case the fact you say you will stop this and that because the 7.45 is slightly higher than what you pay at present shows that you ar not the benevolent benefactor you say you are mate

Robinson56Chris
Big hard nut boss, isn't he? does that mean, Peter, you'll take all their poppies off them too?

t.bulgin
It's lies peter, remember..... "Power at any cost" Including the truth.

Michael Hawkins
The building trade did it year ago, you price a job ang get paid for doing it The harder you work the more you earn

Fred Spoons
Don't suppose you are auditioning for SCROOGE are you? On reflection you've no competition, should win hands down. You would never sack me, I'd just walk you mean so and so.

Grant Berry
Trying to buy voters again..............Red Ed the Talking horse.

stephen
grant if people have no money how are they going to buy things out of the shops . how will the economy improve.

John Smith
Grant is it wrong for people to earn a decent living? Its ok for all the tory boys who don't have to worry about buying presents and food for xmas! And half these company bosses don't have to worry either!! All I would like is a fair wage for all, is that too much to ask!!

t.bulgin
stephen the difference is that I would rather have a low paid job than no job. Some companies are just hanging on. If ein reich ed gets in and starts this off there could be alot more people on the dole. He is doing what blair did, make a lot of promises, then borrow the money to make it happen and but more votes. A living wage is great if companies can afford it. If not then tax credits and free scripts etc help, do they not ?

Robinson56Chris
Companies can afford it. In fact, they can afford much more than Miliband is claiming. He just wants to ride a possible vote-winner while still promising cuts...just like the Tories. The Tories are the rightwing and the Labourites are the centre-left of the same capitalist party.

stephen
t bulgin he is talking about big companies . it will be something like if you employ 6 people

stephen
the Tories didn't want a min wage remember t bulgin

simon calvert
as long as nouveaux grants ok he doesn't care about anyone else..he's one of thatchers love childs.

t.bulgin
Yes I do remember stephen. I was against that stance. I believe in rewarding people who work hard but not at the expense of others jobs. If numpty gets in and forces this through, thats exactly what could happen. Chris, you are so tied up in your hatred of large companies and there tax avoidance that you fail to see that the real gems in this country are the thousands of small businesses, (about which you seem to know little) Its these companies that could suffer if ein reich ed gets his way.

stewgwyn
Stephen, nobody with any oil their lamp wanted the minimum wage, Tory or not. It brought every thing down to the lowest common denominator at a time when work was more readily available. Until then, if you weren't happy with what you were offered, you could go elsewhere, and unscrupulous companies would have deservedly suffered. Now they have flourished at our expense and the decent employers have had to follow suit or go under.

stephen
what rubbish haaaaaaaaaaaaaa i thought Tommy cooper was dead

stewgwyn
Grow up Stephen, think of a sensible response if you can, and get it into your head that your precious Labour introduced the stifling minimum wage. The most demotivational move ever, it is what it says on the tin, the bare minimum.

Robinson56Chris
The minimum wage was a good idea, but it was much too low.

Robinson56Chris
And I'm not 'tied up' in the hatred of big companies, just the greedy capitalists who run them.

leslie lee
actually miliband has just realised (LOL) that these firms that pay minimum wage to their workforce are exactly the ones who still charge the same for their products as those firms which pay a more realistic wage ! thus they probably do need naming and shaming .............. in any case 7 20 ph is still a poor wage when you tot up the exhorbitant price rises allowed by government "watchdogs" lol

Windows Live User
Probably the same ones that neatly avoid corporation taxes £7.20PH is very poor and wont go far at all

t.bulgin
Here we go again. Spend spend spend. Will there ever be an end to this cycle.

stephen
what ? are you on the right page old boy

t.bulgin
Why yes old chum, I am. The labour party are promising free money to people, like they always do when in opposition. Its a pity we can't draw simple pictures on this site, then I could explain the gist of it to you.

stewgwyn
Take no notice of Stephen, t.b, his vocabulary has not progressd much beyond ''rubbish ha ha ha ha, Tory'' !

Robinson56Chris
It won't be 'free money', it'll be a little more of the profits workers have created. not much more, but a little more.

simon calvert
by the ime he might be in power the living wage will be £50 an hour

t.bulgin
I honestly can't see the public voting him in. The labour party need a grown up as a figure head. Not some lisping dandy.

Robinson56Chris
Unfortunately, t., it looks like they will win the next election, as it stands at the moment, by default, because the Tories are so appalling. But they'll continue with 'nicer' cuts. I'm afraid the 'Red Ed' you're so derisive about, will only continue pale pink Tory policies.

t.bulgin
I think they would walk it if they had chosen a real leader like his older brother.

Robinson56Chris
Possibly, but the results would still be the same...more 'nicer' cuts.

stewgwyn
Ed Milliband ought to remember that the inception of the minimum wage by Mr. Blair in 1999, I think, or thereabouts, of 3.60 an hour, ended all hopes of being paid 5 or 6 pounds an hour. Up until then, it was quite easy to find a job that paid 6 pounds + per hour. Employers then realised that the minimum wage was all that they were legally required to pay and rates tumbled as if overnight. Any company worth working for will pay fairly and on merit, without being legally compelled to pay more. Hypocritical vote catching !

stephen
what rubbish haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

stewgwyn
A constructive response from you would be good for a change, Stephen, instead of childish remarks or accusing people of being Tories if they disagree with you.

stephen
well stop talking c..p

stewgwyn
Stephen, me 5, you, -4, who's talking c**p ?

stewgwyn
Update Stephen, me 8, you -7, a difference of 15. Am I still talking c**p ?

stephen
yes

bjnk
stewgwyn, my experience of the time was the good companies still payed well over minimum wage, no one took a pay cut. Tony Blair's idea in theory was a good one to force the rogue companies to pay a reasonable rate to its workforce, but some like you say the unscrupleous ones used it to their own advantage to line their pockets. But for the many at the time it was a real boost to their living standard, the shame is it should have been higher.

stewgwyn
bjnk, I thank you for a polite and constructive difference of opinion, unlike my ''mate'' in the silly hat ! I accept some of what you say, but I will always believe that the NMW is demotivational and soul destroying.

Juliecrumpton1234
Would anyone trust that face? ....I wouldn't!

adam
I wouldnt trust ,either, of his(or Labour's)faces..

Dave Harrison
Julie. Champagne socialist with a millionaire marxist father. His type play the caring, sharing, I am on your side role in public and then slip back into their well heeled priveleged lifestyle each evening. Don't trust any of them

Grant Berry
looks like gromit

bjnk
Grant as you always like to throw insults and personal comments, what about cameloon being likened to richard dastardly and muttley, he has the vileness of richard and the sniggering of muttley, all rolled into one.

Dave Harrison
Grant. And what has that nice puppet Grommit ever done to you to be insulted so. Mind you the likeness is quite remarkable

t.bulgin
hehehe......yeah....gromit.

Michael Hawkins
It does not matter what you set the minimum wages at. As as the wage goes up so do prices to cover the extra wage bill Companies then shut down and move production / account etc abroad to benefit from the cheaper cost - Ford recently in Southampton We are in a global market - world wage structure can not be ignored

Dave Harrison
Michael. So many on here seem to overlook the fact that one persons wage rise is another persons price rise. There is no such thing as a free lunch and everything has to be paid for one way or another. You are right about the global market where we must compete or go under, just ask the employees at JJB Sports, Comet or Ford Southampton for instance

Robinson56Chris
Just tie wages to prices and nationalise Ford, easy.

Dave Harrison
Chris. Was tried in the early 70's by heaving shoulders Heath and led to 25% annual inflation so no thanks. And as for nationalising Ford I still remember the halcyon days of the British car industry when the workforce spent more time at meetings in the car park than they did making cars that no one wanted.

leslie lee
you neatly sidestep mentioning politicians ability to carp on their citizens and pay themselves huge pay and benefit rises dave h. are they a special case , or are you another that has been indoctrinated to nod and obey the liars and fraudster at wasteminster

Dave Harrison
Leslie. My views on politicians, all of them are well known on here. That is why 2015 will be an agonising choice for me where i will probably vote for the least despised

Michael Hawkins
Robinson Just remind me how many cars British Leyland build today 1 million / 2 million a year ?

stewgwyn
The problem with the minimum wage is that it does not recognise merit and diligence, people only get the same as their lazier colleagues, or the one that's only there because he's related to someone in the office. We've all seen it. To those who deserve more, it is, in fact, the maximum wage.

t.bulgin
An interesting way of looking at it.

leslie lee
it was conceived as being the only way to get the wage bills down and thus was contrived between government and the cbi

movvi
Agreed. It must be soul destroying to the diligent worker.

Michael Hawkins
The trouble is Unions do not want diligent workers, it makes the lazy union members look bad I was employed by a local authority to make the housing maintenance department competitive with the outside world One Job that was taking 120 hours to complete, I gave a team of council workers a target of 40 hours, they refused the job and went to the union. I got a contractor in who completed it in 12 hours to a much higher standard. The next time the same job came in, I gave the team a target of 24 hours, again they refused the job and it was given to the contractor Within a year, the works department was reduce from 360 manual employees to 6, the management was cut similarly the rest of the work was contracted out. Had the union workers agreed with the 24 hour target, twice the time a contractor took to do the same job, they would have been paid 24 hours pay even if they completed the job in 12 hours, they would also still be in a job today

Chris Robinson
Hence our housing situation is a holy mess.

leslie lee
you are so right stewgwyn.... once the minimum wage was created britain became a nation of redundants when firms laid off workers then rehired some more ............. on the minimum wage of course ... it was that fateful day which ruined the labour force of britain to the advancement of the "agencies and thus we became a nation of "agency workers" shame on all british governments !!

stewgwyn
Absolutely Leslie, it created a niche in the market for the parasitical employment agencies who offer little or no security for their workers and charge outrageous commision to the clients. I worked for a short time for an agency who told me that my holiday pay was included in my hourly rate. When I deducted the appropriate amount, my hourly rate was less than the minimum wage !

stewgwyn
It also signalled the end of shift allowance and week-end overtime premiums.

stephen
its coming

Dave Harrison
Stephen. What is, Christmas ?

stewgwyn
Quite right Dave, the usual banal twaddle.

t.bulgin
the end of the world ? Skyfall on blue ray ? your memory ?

stephen
the lotto to me

stewgwyn
No manners, no finesse, no ettiquette, no worthwhile opinions, irritating the hell out of everyone if the scores are anything to go by. Better to re-register under another name to stand a fighting chance of having a sensible debate with civilised people. Brain cells are a gift, not a right, but politeness is free.

Grant Berry
Booom..........tap out

t.bulgin
Don't you wag your finger at me like that young man. It's off to bed early for you tonight, and no hot milk and choccy biscuit either..

Grant Berry
He looks like Grommit

movvi
More like Wallace, I thought!

Lee Wright Addy
Classic - increase wages in councils - this will in doubt also include all the thousands which are on long term "stress" leave etc. Labour can only think about spending. 100K here and there. These clowns ( and also civil servants in whitehall ) have no idea how hard it is to make 100k with your bare hands. well done

Vomit Bastard
Why should we as tax payers be subsidizing peoples pay through income support benefits ect when the owners and share holders are living the life of luxury on the cash they have saved by paying their staff poor wages. should be a legal requirement to state what percentage of a companies staff are eligible to claim state benefits due to the level of pay the receive. Also they should be made to have an icon on their letter heads, shop fronts and vehicles stating they are tight wads and the rest of us are indirectly supporting their staff !!!!!








hollywoodbowden
11:26am on 5/11/2012
If they put wages up they will keep hammering. You with more and more tax so it wont make a difference this county is finished it will be 3rd world before long
Windows Live User
1:08pm on 6/11/2012
It will be 3rd world for us but not for those greedy ..... who are creaming it of the top and avoiding full taxes
t.bulgin
6:37pm on 6/11/2012
I remember that phrase being used in th 1970s. We pretty much where 3rd world for a while. Then Thatcher came along and saved us. Thank God.
stephen
10:24pm on 6/11/2012
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what mas unemployment and sold the country
stewgwyn
7:34am on 7/11/2012
I thought it was Mr. Brown who sold off our gold reserves at a fraction of their price, Stephen ?
Robinson56Chris
10:47am on 7/11/2012
To say we were a 'third world country in the 70s' is nonsense. That happened in the 1980s as mass unemployment not seen since the 1930s was created by 1981 - under the Tories - under the parliamentary dictatorship that was 'Thatcherism', who, like dictators, used war (Flaklands) as a way of distracting people from the mess at home; who used the forces of the state to crush a democratic strike (miners). And who was, like so many dictators, overthrown by a party coup as a result of a mass ccampaign of civil disobedience (anti-poll tax camapaign).
leslie lee
2:38pm on 7/11/2012
succinctly put chris ..
stephen
7:19pm on 7/11/2012
well said Chris
Michael Hawkins
9:08pm on 7/11/2012
Stephen / Robinson, Just remind me when was it that the IMF was called in to run the country because a bunch of amateurs were in power failing to run the country And which party were in power at the time I am aware it was M Thatchers fault as she was not in power for another 10 years or so Who was in power during the winter of discontent ?
Robinson56Chris
11:20am on 8/11/2012
That's right, Labour were in power. They refused to implement the manifesto on which they were elected - which would have been to change the balance of power in our society towards working class families. Instead, Wilson/Callaghan/Healey went for cuts and wage restraint and went to the IMF with a begging bowl. They actually introduced 'monetarism' before Thatcher. But workers fought back and toppled them. Mass abstention in the 1979 election brought Thatcher to power, and she installed monetraism with a vengeance - Obersturmbannfuehrer Hawkins.
t.bulgin
1:27pm on 8/11/2012
Not nonsense at all. The 70s where the pits. 3 day weeks, utilty strikes, Miners strikes, Car workers strikes, Steel workers strikes, Ship builders strikes, Dockers etc. Power cuts. My family didn't have 2 pennies to rub together. charity and hand me downs was our existence. The 80s bought new hope, wealth, jobs, people buying their own houses, and end to strikes all the time. It wasn't easy because the left fought back to try and keep their gravy train running but Thatcher de-railed it. Good job too. Those two decades are like chalk and cheese.
t.bulgin
1:31pm on 8/11/2012
Also, the dead reamained unburied at one time because of strikes. The streets of many towns had rats running around because of uncollected waste. We were referd to as "the sick man of Europe" by other countries. I can remember, as a kid, not having any sugar in the house for days. When we got some my mum gave us a sugar sandwich as a treat. Anyone who tells me that th70s where better than the 80s will get short shrift.
t.bulgin
1:50pm on 8/11/2012
I feel very sorry for all the genuine people who lost jobs in heavy industry in the 80s. But it's their fault for blindly following the communist inspired union leaders. They led them allright.....to ruin.
Jo Brierley
2:24pm on 8/11/2012
t bulgin thats how I remember the 70s....no sugar,bread, toilet paper, there was something missing every week/month due to strikes. Piles of stinking rubbish and then the worst was the undertaker strike when D ick Emery died. It was always someone out on strike just like the Carry on film! The 80s I remember as people having credit, money, being able to by their own car/s, homes. Like someone said chalk and cheese. I see the 70s as a more desperate decade and the 80s was booming and then a bust at the end. Hell in the 70s I couldnt have a bath in the light as a kid cos of the electricity being restricted. It was a nightmare for my Mum with two kids
t.bulgin
7:27pm on 8/11/2012
It's nice to know that someone else remembers things the way they where Jo. Instead of some re-written version.
bjnk
10:09pm on 8/11/2012
Your right about all those things which happened in the 70's but what they were was the battle against oppression heaped upon us by the ruling class, and those struggles helped to form the upturn of working classes and conditions.At the time to many it would seem these strikes etc may have looked like self interest, but there outcome benefited many. The things which happened under Thatcher was mainly done for spite, and she gave a few a little jam.She also ensured that those who took up the right to buy were saddled with the highest interest rates in living memory. Like the old saying people only remember the bad times.
t.bulgin
9:43pm on 9/11/2012
The unions ruining their own industries benefitted who exactly ? I don't remember many bad times under Thatchers rule. She killed socilalism and neutered the unions. All good. Whether the rates where high or not is irrelevant. It was almost impossible for working class people like me to be able to afford to buy my house before Thatcher. My recollection is that there was about 5 years, end of 80s to mid 90s that where bad, as far as high rates go.
Michael Hawkins
9:10am on 10/11/2012
t.bulgin The workers being satisfied The unions and socialist would not want that, it undermines their very existence
Michael Hawkins
11:01am on 10/11/2012
Bjkn I like many lived throught the 70s like many - the biggest problem was not the ruling classes but was theworkers holding the country to ransom The industries most responsible for the strikes, 3 day week, power cuts, rubbish not being collected were NATIONALISED - owned by the people, or those industries the relied on tax payers money to keep them going. When the pot ran dry all hall was let loose
Chris Robinson
12:37am on 11/11/2012
The nationalised industries in the 70s were NOT owned by the people. They were run by appointed boards, many of the board members were the previous millionaire owners. They were not democratically run by its workforce. The strikes happened because a) those unelected boards cut these industries and b) they cut workers' wages plain and simple. Thatcher did a lot to create poverty and unemployment in the 8os, and went on to introduce the poll tax. WE organised against that and crushed it and her into the bargain.
Michael Hawkins
5:48pm on 11/11/2012
ROBINSO N WROTE - and went on to introduce the poll tax. WE organised against that and crushed it and her into the bargain. so your are responsible for me paying more in comunity charge than I was in Pol TAX Thanks alot
Chris Robinson
6:25am on 12/11/2012
Yes. And I think you mean the council tax which is a return to the old rates - the value of your house which will be higher if you have a big house, rather than a millionaire paying the same as a dustman.