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Organist Death: Grieving Widow Speaks Of Evil
The widow of Alan Greaves, who died after being attacked on his way to a Christmas Eve midnight mass, said she has not stopped crying over her husband's death and the "evil that has been done".
Mr Greaves, 68, was discovered badly beaten near his church in High Green, Sheffield, on Monday.
The father-of-four died in hospital on Thursday after suffering serious head injuries in the attack.
Two Sheffield men - one in his 20s and the other in his 40s - were released on bail after being arrested on Saturday on suspicion of murder.
At the service at St Saviour's Mortomley and High Green Church, Mrs Greaves, a church community worker, thanked the couple's congregation for their support.
"I've never stopped crying for Alan, and I know that you've never stopped crying with me," she said.
"I've grieved over the evil that's been done, and I know you too have grieved over the evil that has been done.
"I have prayed for you, and I know that you have prayed for me.
"I want to thank you because I really have sensed your very deep love and affection for me.
"You were Alan's Christian family and he loved belonging to this church."
The Bishop of Sheffield, Dr Steven Croft, led the service at the church, where Mr Greaves was a lay preacher.
Dr Croft said Sheffield had lost a "shining light".
"There is a sense of shock and a sense of outrage, not just in this community but across the whole city of Sheffield," he said.
"Alan was the victim of a brutal attack as he was on his way to church on Christmas Eve, as he was walking to this church to bear witness to his deep Christian faith.
"There will be immense grief for those who knew Alan well, which includes many in this church and community."
He went on to speak of the love and support that has been offered to the family and also appreciation for the medical teams that tried to save Mr Greaves's life.
"And in the midst of all this, I am sure, many will be giving thanks for Alan himself, for all he showed us of God's grace and love," he said.
"There will be occasions in the future for many generous tributes to be given.
"Goodness is not as common as it should be and this community and this city have lost a shining light."
Dozens of people attended the church to hear tributes to Mr Greaves, with some having to stand because there were no seats left.
Detectives are still appealing for anyone with any information about the attack to come forward.
Police are treating Mr Greaves's death as murder but say the motive for it is unclear.
Canon Simon Bessant said Mr Greaves had been attacked 250 yards from the church and that his family had been at home.
"His wife wants justice but she doesn't want vengeance. She is not embittered but obviously she wants this person to be caught."
Mr Greaves had recently become a grandfather to twin boys adopted by his daughter in Mozambique.
He and his wife had recently set up a food bank and community project in the area where he was killed.
what do you think?
HANG EM LOOSE AND HANG EM HIGH.
What would some of you do give them a nice cup of tea and a biscuit and then a hug.
Perhaps some people just don't believe in the hypocritical notion of reciprocating one murder with another. There are suitable punishments in between you know.
Like what El Bubsio?
Ell Bubsio.like James says like what.to have a better standard of living than a lot who work for a living. Then be let out after a short time because they have been a good boy
I agree with el bubsio. Another barbarism, even if it is state sanctioned, will not bring back this poor man or ease his widow's grief. What it would do is shame us all by repeating the barbarism and mindless brutality of this murder. The alternative is imprisonment for an appropriate time, including life. For all you who moan about taxes, that is the price we pay for civilisation. I'd rather pay for prisoners to be kept safely away where they cannot harm anyone else than see us descend into a lower state of being. It is not our place to take a life, even if it is an unworthy life
Like what? How about locking murderers up for many years. I can understand (although I don't agree with) the desire for revenge. It has been proven in many studies to not be a deterrent, be more expensive than life imprisonment and to not be justice. Justice and revenge are not the same thing. As I say, I don't agree with the desire for revenge, but I can understand it. However, many people's savage bloodthirsty desire to see offenders treated with a brutality that they would normally condemn says a lot for their hypocritical sense of moral justice.
el bubsio, i fail to see how putting to sleep some low lives that bring misery and havoc to society makes society hypocritical. yes, both ways bring a life to an end, one is done through hatred, selfishness and stupidity, the other is done to protect those that are willing to contribute in a positive manner to society and abide by it's rules.
Andy, state sanctioned murder, for that is all the death penalty is, is not the only way to protect society. Imprisonment does that too. I would far rather pay the money to keep dangerous men and women away from the rest of us, than pay the moral price of re introducing the death penalty. I know people get angry at these crimes and i share their anger, but i hope we never return to the days of the hangman
Andy, 'putting them to sleep'. What a nice euphemism for killing someone. As for hatred, selfishness and stupity, I'd say demanding people be put to death when, as I mentioned above, that's been proven to be ineffective and inefficient, fulfills all 3 of those criteria. And I'm sorry, but it's pretty obvious (as much as you try to pretty it up) that killing someone to show how killing is wrong is hypocrisy at its best (or worst). Oh, and one other thing to consider. Just like the victims, the offenfer(s) will have a family who have done nothing wrong. Is it fair to put another family through that pain and grief just to satisfy those who demand we be a part of that hypocrisy?
I have to say that I have wrestled with this one. I am glad we have El Bubsio. He is always true to his beliefs, I respect him for it and in many ways I envy him. My conscience was ultimately tested in the early 90s. I witnessed first hand in Africa a cruelty that even today, I cannot understand. Taking a life is never easy, but in some quarters of this world, it is a necessity for your own survival. But is it a necessity for justice? I will never know...but I often think when this issue comes up about past events and El Bubsio.. and as much as I wrestle with this, I cannot help but think that he is indeed right.
Thank you Lucien. I do always try to consider my opinions and what's best for everyone rather than just what I want carefully. You mention taking a life for survival, which I would consider a different matter. If someone was coming for me with a knife and I had a gun in my hand and no other choice, I would shoot them. But I'd class that as self defence which as I say, is quite different to killing or torturing a defenceless person (even if they have committed terrible crimes).
poor guy and even worse for the wife he's left behind. lets hope one of their future inmates delivers his own organ recital upon them in the shower block. strikes me these two guys must have been very brave to attack a lone 68 yr old church organist. i wonder if they would have been quite so courageous with a 30 yr old, 20 stone, cage fighter? lets hope his wife's faith helps her through this horrendous time.
I think that is a very generous and probably more Christian attitude to them than I have. Like you say big men, not. I still think despite the calls not to and reasoned arguments for not doing so, think we should have the death penalty back.
That was wonderfully said Andy, good on you my friend.
Two arrests made !! no names given !! no discription of them ! I wonder why ?
How come people that the police interviewed in relation the Jim affairs have their names plastered all over the press (yet may be totally innocent) and these animals don't?
Because they're celebrities and they sell papers
Because an arrest does not automatically equate to guilt, David. If and when that's proven, im sure we'll know who they are.
I am absolutely sick of people making comments about the ethnicity of suspects. Leave it be as it is not respectful to sidetrack this sad story in this way,
I don't care about their names or any other details. That's for the police to deal with. The only reason for these type of questions about names is so people can them make anti foreigner/immigrants/ethnic minority comments. To hear some of you comment you would think that no white British person ever committed a crime. All you bigots - go and find somethng worthwhile to do instead of spreading hatred and muck. Go on, go away !
And does PJ stand for Piotr janek? No information!
Lol, louisa. You tell 'em, girl.
Do they care, do they F!!!, Luxury in prison, free meals, warm cells, best facilities. Let out early due to high cost of keeping them inside. Plus street cred.
Don`t forget the All channel TV and the Pool Tables.
Austerity march 1st april london
They can smoke as well, Eric ! Nobody else can in the workplace or in a public place. It doesn't interest me but it's not right having priviilges that are not afforded to the law abiding majority !
That's because a prison cell is neither a workplace nor public place stewgwyn. It is, basically, someone's home whilst they're there. As for luxury in prison, why are you not all queueing to get in there then and share that life of luxury?
EB, The reason I'm not queueing to get in is because I try to behave properly. And it is a public place if the public are paying for it ! Where do you suppose the money comes from, Lottery grants ? We are also constantly being told that it is a programme of work and rehabilitation, not just a punitive measure.
Stewgwyn, it's not a workplace. Prisoners don't do their work in their cells, they do it in workshops or classrooms. Both places where they can't smoke. And it's not a public place. By your logic anyone who gets housing benefit shouldn't be allowed to smoke in their home. As for behaving properly, you wouldn't have to do much. Just don't pay a fine or have some weed on you. Then you too could be part of that exclusive holiday set and live in 5 star luxury. Or could it be your not queueing up because you'd be locked up with murderers and violent criminals for most of the day in a room probably smaller than your bedroom, eating cheap slop that may well contain 'unwanted ingredients' and worrying if you're going to get to your release date without being assaulted, raped or killed?
I know my comments will probably offend the Liberal brigade, but until there is a " serious deterrent" for such crimes they will continue to increase. If you knew that by commiting murder there was a chance the death penalty would be levied against you, then I am sure we would see results. And yes before I get shot down for my views and that innocent people could be wrongly hung etc, these have to be 100% clear cut cases, ie: Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley the list goes on. I know the capital punishment debate will run and run, but the people who throw there arms in the air over it and give us chapter and verse why it will never work are the same people who never come up with a alternatives!! Rip to this man and his family..
I am whole heartedly with you.we are disgustingly soft in what used to be Great Britain
Im in total agreement with you.It was a deterrent to some degree.Prison is a joke today,we need harsher punishment.
If this happened to one of Camerons relatives,you watch how quickly,the law would change.
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Darren,I left a similar comment on the first report about this murder,without a deterrant these crimes will continue.Having said that we will still get the human rights brigade and the do-gooders brigade sticking their stupid oar in,until it happens to one of their loved ones,then they might change their attitude.
I agree and we should Ban the do folders brigade as we've got a generation of animals who have never been punished as the liberals out there won't allow it teachers can't punish unruly kids parents can't so what.happens we get a load of thugs who think they're untouchable cos of our soft system - bring back hanging
In America, of the 26 states with the highest murder rates, 22 have the death penalty. What a great deterrent that is.
I agree , But even if we had one million + signatures, to bring it back, for 100% guilty, this government of whimps would bottle out
My sympathy and prayers go to Alan Greaves' family. Such a tragic killing at any time of the year but especially at Christmas.
2 votes down on this comment. Why? some odd people around these days
Because, William, there are idiots out there who will vote down anything just because they can. We must all try to ignore them, though it is annoying as annskips comment was a simple statement of sorrow for this man and his family.
It also happens quite a lot that people see a name and vote without reading based on their opinion of that person. I for instance, always vote louisa up cause I know she's a kind and fair person. A couple of others, I'll usually pretty much click that down thumb after the first sentence when it begins "I'm not racist/sexist/Homophobie, but... " or "its all the foreigners fault" :-)
el bubs, that opening sentence is such a giveaway isn't it? Who are they kidding?
20 and 40 should no better would say wot they but wouldnt stay up long
The poor man cant even walk to his church on Xmas Eve without Statin out on the street looking to kill human being. your mother must bear the pain as well for this... R.I.P
Bring back the stocks Then we can see how brave these two feel. The community can see them face to face and do as they please to them. Leave them in them for a couple of day's it's winter and with any luck there will be a hard frost.
Better still, let them have an appointment with Albert Pierpoint. (Well at least his successor).Hope they have their spare pair of undies with them!
Police have not got a motive yet, does there need to be a motive, these two animals killed and innocent man, why should we be worried about a motive get them locked up for life, too much of this is going on every week rape murder assault abuse. Decent people in this country are being killed surely it doesn't matter why they have been killed there is no excuse for murder evil that is what it is. Oh and forget the human rights they are not human to do such a thing, so they do not have any rights.
Exactly Heather, I cannot understand how they are out on bail.
"surely it doesn't matter why they have been killed there is no excuse for murder evil that is what it is" So a battered and abused wife who murders her abusive husband is evil and shouldn't have her 'motive' taken into account then? Knowing motives helps the judicial system to understand the reasons (or motives if you will) for an event happening so that sentencing can be more fairly administered. It also helps us a society (at least those who care to understand the reasons behind a criminals thinking which in turn can lead to preventative measures being in place in the future. Ignoring, or not caring about motives because they're 'inconvenient' is lazy to say the least
If proven guilty, then lock them up for the rest of their lives. The death penalty no longer exists in the UK, some say that it should be brought back. I agree, only for those 100% beyond doubt of being guilty of the crime.
But Steven, i don't know for sure, but feel that Mrs Greaves may not feel the same way about the death penalty.She has said that she does not wish to be vengeful and for that she has my utmost admiration.
Whether the death penalty should be reinstated or not, I am one of those who take the view that prisons should be overcrowded, uncomfortable and completely devoid of anything resembling home comforts for these types of criminal.
What a sad story and this sounds like such a nice couple. Condolences to all his family
Sadly his death will change nothing in our sick society