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  • 11 October 2012, 22:21

Remembrance Day 2014: £50m To Mark Milestone

Prime Minister David Cameron has pledged more than £50m will be spent on commemorating the centenary of the First World War.

Funding will be spent on transforming the Imperial War Museum in London and also on establishing a programme to allow children to visit battlefields.

Events will be held to mark 100 years since the outbreak of war in 2014, Armistice Day in 2018, and the dates of major battles in between.

A task force involving luminaries including former chief of the defence staff Sir Jock Stirrup and novelist Sebastian Faulks will help finalise the commemoration plans.

They will join former naval doctor Andrew Murrison, who was appointed by Mr Cameron as a special representative to consider the options last year.

The Treasury will add another £5m to the £35m refurbishment of the galleries at the Imperial War Museum, taking money from fines imposed on financial services companies for misconduct.

The improved museum will be reopened in 2014 as a centrepiece for the commemorations.

In a speech, the Prime Minister said: "There is something about the First World War that makes it a fundamental part of our national consciousness.

"Put simply, this matters: not just in our heads, but in our hearts. It has an emotional connection.

"For us to fail to recognise the huge national and international significance of all these developments during the First World War would be a monumental mistake."

Mr Cameron added that it seemed inexplicable now that countries with many factors in common came to "indulge in such a never-ending slaughter".

"Our ambition is a truly national commemoration worthy of this historic centenary.  A commemoration that captures our national spirit in every corner of the country," he said.

"Our duty with these commemorations is clear. To honour those who served. To remember those who died and to ensure that the lessons learnt live with us for ever."

His pledge came after some public figures called for shops to be closed and major sporting fixtures postponed on the anniversary in 2014.

In a letter to The Times, they said flags should be flown at half-mast from every town hall to mark Remembrance Day that year, with an extended silence at the Cenotaph.

Signatories include MPs David Lammy, Andrew Rosindell, and Kwasi Kwarteng, journalist Mihir Bose, Colonel Charles Garraway, and public policy expert Philip Blond.

"As the generation who fought in that war passes on, remembrance should become more valued, as long as we all know this shared history," it said.

"In our view Britain should mark Remembrance Sunday in 2014 as a very special Sunday. The shops should close, and no professional football matches or major sports fixtures should be played.

"We should also think about how else this special Sunday could be marked. Flying flags at half-mast from every town hall and extending the traditional silence at the Cenotaph should be considered."

A poll conducted by the think tank British Future found that 83% think bells should ring across the country and 54% think major sports games should be moved to other days.

There is an even split on whether shops should shut for the day.

what do you think?

first 20 comments

rachel henshaw

6:24am on 11/10/2012

Completely agree! It won't hurt businesses to remember why we're here to be able to open shops on a Sunday!

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Chris Price

7:31am on 11/10/2012

Yes 100000000000% yes close everything and then do the same again for 2018.

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blue side

7:52am on 11/10/2012

No doubt in my mind it is about time we respected those who gave their lives for our freedom in ALL conflicts and it serves to remind the younger generation of the sacrifice made.

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Christopher Hodson

3:08pm on 11/10/2012

As an ex serviceman I do not believe they lost their lives for what we have now in this country. You mention freedom no we have BRitish people treated as 2nd and 3rd class people. British families having to go to centres to get food. They did not I repeat NOT sacrifice their lives for this.

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stephen

3:19pm on 11/10/2012

chris hodson your bang on .

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Anthony Smith

6:14pm on 11/10/2012

Well said Mr. Hodson....absolutely spot on!

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bjnk

1:38am on 12/10/2012

CH your 100% right, and were still fighting for other nations freedoms and losing more lives, and what for to be held in contemp by those were fighting for. Very few immigrants to this country will show any respect at the centenary,and their not likely to close their shops,although i'm pretty sure they will sell us all the commemorative merchandise, made abroad of course. Personally I salute all who have served and died in two world wars and since, but I ask myself the question knowing what our Country has become and how were treated would I serve again, I doubt it.

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blue side

8:21am on 12/10/2012

Christopher Hodson like you I served and regardless of outcome those who gave their lives in the name of this country should be honoured accordingly. I can not disagree totally with the other points you make but that is a different argument. Whilst making this statement I have also been made aware of the poverty being experienced amongst service families and the poor treatment when a wife looses her husband and she is in married quarters. Let us give respect to our fallen comrades because there by the grace of God we all go.

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shaun spencer

7:57am on 11/10/2012

This will hopefully be a very popular idea.if we are going to pay respect and honour those who lost there lives during the the wars in this last century it should on the 100th yearof the beginning of the first ww1.Its also a good opputinity to teach the younger generation to also not forget.

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Chris Carr

5:12pm on 11/10/2012

Absolutely: WW1 is somewhat glossed over in tehcurrent history curriculm. The sheer scale of the losses beggers belief. Perhaps there should be complusory trips to the war cemetries and the memorials to those with no known grave like the Menin Gate, a truely sobering experience.

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Gillian Stafford

8:25am on 11/10/2012

Its a truly wonderful idea but I reckon the loss of profits for traders will sadly override even this unique chance for reflection and rememberance - but I live in hope nevertheless.

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john

9:15am on 11/10/2012

WW1, the crowned heads of Europe fell out and used the working classes to fight their battles. Lions led by donkeys.

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stephen

3:07pm on 11/10/2012

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Chris Carr

5:10pm on 11/10/2012

Perhaps you should have a look at the memorials in all of our public schools and universities before you play the class card on WW1. Every section of society had it's share of loss.

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stephen

5:21pm on 11/10/2012

chris put 99.9% working class

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stephen

5:49pm on 11/10/2012

but

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Chris Carr

5:16pm on 12/10/2012

Maths not your strong point either then?

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David Rankin

1:48pm on 11/10/2012

WHAT A JOKE.as many of our soilders in WW1 were killed by in charge lord snots as the germans we should remeber the people in charge who killed thousand with a whim .as they sat 25 miles away from the fight tell soilders to run to there deaths with a charge with bayonets against bullets,and for there war effort got knighthoods and estates,some one tell them the real truth about WW1

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Anthony Smith

7:04pm on 11/10/2012

And so the game continues David, except that today the Lord Snots are rather more than 25 miles from the action!

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Chris Carr

5:16pm on 12/10/2012

Yes, there were mistakes and arrogance at High Command but that doesn't negate the sacrifices made by all those who served in WW1. Also you are confusing two strands: the Generals etc were in the main titled, wealthy or possessing knighthoods and estates beforet he war; those who were rewarded with those things were the industrialists running the factories making the munitions and employing girls and women in appalling conditions.

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stephen

3:10pm on 11/10/2012

Cameron should not go . he has no respect for the working classes .

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blue side

8:24am on 12/10/2012

Stephen what you on?

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Chris Carr

9:29am on 12/10/2012

And was it only the working class who fought and died in WW1? and WW2 come to that. You really have got to get over this obession with class, Stephen, it's very boring.

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t.bulgin

1:41pm on 12/10/2012

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Thomas Cat

5:50pm on 13/10/2012

Couldn't agree more Chris. It is a FACT that more officers than men were killed. Everyone should be remembered without exception.

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bjnk

9:59pm on 13/10/2012

Thomas C if I were you I would double check those facts.

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bjnk

10:38pm on 13/10/2012

Yes all should be remembered but lets be honest here its not the working/lower class of any Country that causes war its the leaders and those in power that do so, and then persuade or order others of lesser means or power to bring about their ideals, the normal man or woman are just pawns in their game to be used and sacrificed at will. And in that respect nothing has changed.

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Chris Robinson

2:06am on 14/10/2012

More officers than men were killed, Thomas Cat? Do me a favour. That's just stupid.

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Chris Carr

5:07pm on 11/10/2012

Once upon a time Armestice Day was commemorated by everyone stopping what they were doing to observe the 2 minutes silence. Wouldn't it be great if just for once this country cold be united in recalling the sacrifice of a generation?

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blue side

8:28am on 12/10/2012

Chris the trouble is most people have either forgot or do not realise we lack national pride and respect. Our parents whether on the front line or at home experienced war first hand now it is in far off lands where it is seen on TV or in films it has no reality.

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Chris Carr

8:35am on 12/10/2012

So true: to most people these days war somehting on TV or, worse, a video game, where you just get up and walk away.

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blue side

9:25am on 12/10/2012

Chris I see the left are out in force and will not debate with open minds

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john

5:48pm on 11/10/2012

Shell shocked under age troops were shot in a slaughterhouse by their own side, 17 million predominantly working class died because Europe's royalty had a falling out, and Cameron wants to blow 50 million quid celebrating it?

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blue side

8:32am on 12/10/2012

Yes John but drop the class thing and check your facts because many mental illnesses were not known. Also let me point out that the honours boards have the names of many affluent families.

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Chris Carr

9:28am on 12/10/2012

bliue side: I fear we may be flogging thr proverbial here. Many of our fellow posters are stuck in the past and often remind me of Wolfie Smith. No amount of reasoning will sway them from their perception that everything is all about class.

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Anthony Smith

6:20pm on 11/10/2012

Firstly, I thought we were broke(?) Secondly, if Dave wants to blow 50 million quid, wouldn't it be rather more apt to wait until 2018 to celebrate the end of the slaughter, rather than it's beginning? Or perhaps Dave is not altogether sure that he'll be calling the shots in 2018...

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stephen

6:30pm on 11/10/2012

its called let see if we can win some votes

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Anthony Smith

6:46pm on 11/10/2012

That's about the size of it, Stephen!

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Chris Carr

7:46pm on 11/10/2012

See my comment above: the major events of the war will be remembered bot the start and the end and major battles.

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t.bulgin

1:42pm on 12/10/2012

stephen, you disgrace the young man in your avatar with you comments.

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stephen

3:01pm on 12/10/2012

don't thing so . my grandfather would be proud of me keeping up the fight telling the truth

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Chris Carr

7:15pm on 11/10/2012

Why is everything about class? Several members of my, working class ,family died, two rememebered on the Menin Gate for those with no known grave. We have moved on. This should be a time to remember ALL those who made teh ultimate sacrifice. Furthermore to suggest that it was simply a falling out of crowned heads is to belittle the situation and shows no understanding of the politics of the early part of the 20th century.

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bjnk

2:09am on 12/10/2012

Your quite right CC there were alot of the upper classes killed in WW1, and i'm not trying to belittle that in any way as along with the common soldier they fought and died for a cause, but in reality they were fighting to retain something far removed from the men they fought alongside.

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Chris Carr

8:34am on 12/10/2012

I think that is a bit cynical. From the memoirs I've read, from men of all classes and ranks, they were fighting for King and Country and to protect their families. As a historian unless you have first person testimony it is impossible to judge the motive of people in the past.

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blue side

8:39am on 12/10/2012

CC I agree with you but fail to agree with bjnk the WW1 was, like WW2 about one nations attempt at domination. Rather than try applying 21st century perspectives look at it in context - ironically if you apply class concepts it may be argued social change has itself created the present mess.

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bjnk

8:07pm on 12/10/2012

CC/blue side, please read my post again, I did not bring up the issue of class first, I was just replying to yours and others who had. Furthermore I did not demean or belittle anyone of those brave whatever class men who fought and died in those dark days for the freedom of this Country,every one of them are hero's in my view, just pointing out that some had more to lose than others.

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Chris Robinson

12:17am on 13/10/2012

Isn't odd that, if they were all 'fighting for King and Country' as C Carr tries to maintain, conscription had to be introduced in 1916 just in time for the murderous mincing machine of the Somme. So, as news of the bloodletting became apparent, the government had to use compulsion to get people to fight. But then, this war was not 'the people's war', it was the war of the imperialists, nothing more, nothing less.

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stephen

7:35pm on 11/10/2012

this should happen in 2018 not 2014 how low will Cameron go to win votes . disgusting

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Chris Carr

7:45pm on 11/10/2012

If you bothered to read the article you would see that the outbreak of war, the Armestice and major battles will be commemorated. Have you considered the mpossibility that this isn't about winning votes but a serious attempt to remember one of the most pivotal events of the last 100years?

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stephen

7:55pm on 11/10/2012

it should be the end of the war . not the start .

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Chris Carr

8:02pm on 11/10/2012

It's all of it. Which is as it should be. We need to remeber what happened and why and how much has changed as a result.

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blue side

8:41am on 12/10/2012

Chris stephen is on one it must be the water in his area that causes it

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t.bulgin

1:43pm on 12/10/2012

your didgusting, turning something we should all be together with into a political snipe.

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stephen

2:58pm on 12/10/2012

bulbag you don't like the truth .disgusting Tory

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Chris Carr

5:12pm on 12/10/2012

Stephen: I'm not sure that you would know the truth if it bit you as you are so fixated on class. You come over as being really angry with world. That's not good for you. Sadly the world owes you nothing the sooner you accept that the better.

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stephen

5:46pm on 12/10/2012

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Chris Robinson

12:13am on 13/10/2012

It would be far better, and more poignant and meaningful, if we began the commemoration in 2018, when the war ended and the killing stopped. We can still look back over the beginning and the battles in between. Commemorating the END of war is far more effective than commemorating the BEGINNING of war. I think most people would agree. It does make it look as if Cameron is getting in some 'early canvassing' for the 2015 election. Though, in reality, it won't help him.

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t.bulgin

8:02pm on 11/10/2012

Who's Mark Milestone, and why's he getting 50 million quid ?

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Anthony Smith

8:32pm on 11/10/2012

Because Mark Milestone is fully entitled to his fair share of increased public sector borrowing!

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2:57am on 12/10/2012

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Michael Hawkins

6:55pm on 12/10/2012

Difficult to see why we are spending this money when all those who took part have passed on Would it not be better to give the money to charities who assist the ex service men and women who have been injured in the course of their duties

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stephen

4:36pm on 13/10/2012

its called respect

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Chris Carr

3:00pm on 14/10/2012

for once Stephen,I agree wih you.

Chris Robinson

11:04pm on 12/10/2012

There's absolutely nothing wrong with commemorating those who served and fell in WWI, but I think it should take place in 2018 to mark the END of war, as we did with VE Day 50 year anniversary. I really do believe Cameron is jumping on this to beat his nationalist drum and make himself look like a 'One Nation' Tory and it is just months before the next election. However, he tried to attach some of the glow of the Jubilee and the Olympics to himself and this, like those events, will be remembered for what they were, not for him or his government. (Remember how thousands of people booed him, Osbourne and May - deservedly so).

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Michael Hawkins

1:19pm on 13/10/2012

Chris Nice to see your back from the Tory party conference, did all go well We have not missed your posts

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Michael Hawkins

2:12pm on 13/10/2012

he has learnt well from labour and the unions Tell the public/members what they want to hear even if you cant deliver, very Blair

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Chris Robinson

2:01am on 14/10/2012

Michael, your posts make absolutely no sense. Try gain.

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David Roberts

7:34am on 15/10/2012

So that will be 48 million into the back pocket, request for public donations and volunteers to stage events?

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David Roberts

7:38am on 15/10/2012

Surely that money should be used if it will stop all wars. That was supposed to be the last war but then we had another one in 1939 and since. The sentence ' they gave their today so that we would have tomorrow - we will remember them' - a lot of people just don't get it.

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8:09am on 15/10/2012

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8:28am on 15/10/2012

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