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Royal Marine Arrests Prompted By Laptop Video
Footage discovered on a serviceman's laptop prompted the arrest of seven Royal Marines on suspicion of murder over an incident in Afghanistan, Sky News has learned.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said the arrests by the Royal Military Police relate to an incident that happened after an engagement with an insurgent.
Sky sources revealed it only came to light following an arrest last week by civilian police - for a separate matter - of a man who had been serving in Afghanistan.
During that investigation, they had to look at his laptop - where they discovered a video that showed what were allegedly Royal Marines in a compound in Helmand Province with what appears to be an injured Taliban insurgent.
Sources say the clip contains a conversation about what to do with the injured man and whether to administer first aid.
The clip allegedly then ends and the fate of the wounded fighter is unclear.
No civilians were involved in the incident.
Sky sources believe the men arrested were serving at the time of the alleged incident with 42 Commando Royal Marines, based at Bickleigh, near Plymouth in Devon, between April and June last year.
The arrests are thought to have been made at around 4.30pm on Thursday.
The MoD said: "The investigation will now be taken forward and dealt with by the Service Justice system.
"These arrests demonstrate the Department and the Armed Forces' determination to ensure UK personnel act in accordance with their Rules of Engagement and our standards.
"It would be inappropriate to make any further comment while the investigation is under way."
The rules of engagement, largely derived from the Geneva Convention, dictate under what circumstances British troops are allowed to open fire in direct contact or to prevent attacks.
Shashank Joshi, a defence expert at the Royal United Services Institute, told Sky News it was significant that the MoD had stated no civilians were involved.
"(This) suggests one possibility may have been rules of engagement surrounding the surrender of insurgents were not obeyed," he said.
"If an insurgent surrenders or makes clear his wish to surrender and is subsequently dealt with as if he were in combat or is summarily shot, that would constitute a very severe breach of the rules of engagement."
He added: "Soldiers have to make split-second decisions, not only about whether an individual is an insurgent or a civilian, but also, if they are an insurgent, what level of threat they pose.
"I think the categorical nature of this statement suggests the MoD is fairly confident here it wasn't such a grey area. That's my reading of their statement, that actually this may be a fairly clear-cut case."
During a six-month tour of duty starting in April last year, 3 Commando Brigade saw seven servicemen killed in action, all from 42 Commando.
The tour, Operation Herrick 14, was the unit's fourth and saw the force score notable successes in capturing explosives from the Taliban.
Brigadier Ed Davis, who commanded Task Force Helmand and led 3 Commando Brigade during the tour, said his men had "interdicted" over 2.5 tons of home-made explosive by August last year, leading to a 43% drop in enemy attacks.
Sky's Foreign Affairs Editor Tim Marshall said: "It's looking to me like a rules of engagement issue and that is very, very complicated. The rules of engagement are not widely known, because they don't want the enemy to know them."
The arrests are thought to be the first time UK servicemen have been held on suspicion of such charges during the conflict in Afghanistan.
The Afghan authorities have welcomed the investigation.
what do you think?

Emma Barrett
what a disgrace! royal marines arrested for doing their job. this country gets worse by the day.

faiq mir
Didnt realise dere job was to murder ppl?

Vladtheinhaler .
Doing their job ? That remains to be seen. Whether or not the insurgent deserved it , is not the point. British royal marines are not put there to murder people, as has been alleged. I'm not pre judging, these marines, positively or negatively, i suggest you wait for the outcome before deciding if they were " doing their job ".

Lorgar Aurelian
Arrested for shooting back. The mind boggles. Just like the stupid RoE in Bosnia.

marc H
we have police watching our troops at war???w.t.f. They are fighting the Taliban who have no rules and yet our volunteers are expected to behave like gentlemen??? bring them home now before these clean as clean politicians sacrifice any more of our brave guys and girls for their own gloryfication.

Jason Coombes
Like the Afghans do the same, we are are own worst enemys. Putting our boys on trail to score political brownie points. Shameful

doug piercy
Sorry what? Killing / insurgent / engagement / no civilians .... Why have they been arrested? Why are we not backing our troops we send to foreign lands? They tend to come back in body bags because we send them there with their hands tied before they leave. That's gratitude, no better than WWI - over the top. Line em up to shoot em down.

Harold Sutcliffe
Do you have to be shot @ before you can shoot back ? some lads never had the chance just pull out they are all tared with the same brush
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blue side
Harold have you forgot we have Health and Safety to consider then we must speak nicely to the enemy and try and re-educate them - this all assumes they have not beheaded you, cut off your genitals or blinded you in the meantime. If these marines executed a prisoner then yes unfortunately they should be taken to task but if in the heat of battle I do think someone is taking the P...

Stuart Robinson
That's terrible news. I know how to stop it happening again pull out of all those eastern countries that allegedly wanted our help. Let them fight there own wars. That way our soldiers wouldn't have to watch there best friends die fighting for ungrateful tribal waring people on the whole. We the tax payers no doubt agree that there paid to fight but surly we have a say in where and how.

ali baba
Exactly Stuart. This war is about money and nothing else. Extremism would no exist if Russia and the west did not try and bully themselves into this land.

Chris Price
I guess this insurgent engaged the marines. The marines piled on the fire power the insurgent decided he'd had enough and walked off like a lot of them do and the marines killed him. Under the ROE he would then be classed as non combatent, even though minutes before he was brandishing an AK47 or an RPG trying to kill our boys. The rules need changing
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Diane Rogers
Diane Rogers. my God if this is going ro happen when the lads are doing their job bring them all home

Russell Beaumont
You cannot fight a war where political sympathies are with the enemy.

andy may
it saddens me to say this but being british is becoming an embarrassment. the powers that be seem to have knee jerk reactions to any matter highlighted by the legal profession all at the expense of applying common sense to everyday life. the armed forces should change their recruitment slogan to something like " join the army for less than the minimum wage and get killed". i don't think the truth would have a positive effect on recruitment numbers!

ali baba
Why are people guessing that the marines were in the right. The rule of surrender? 100% in my eyes the 7 were a trigger happy bunch.

johnnydee23
I Suppose you've been in that situation then.

ali baba
"If an insurgent surrenders or makes clear his wish to surrender and is subsequently dealt with as if he were in combat or is summarily shot, that would constitute a very severe breach of the rules of engagement." I ask you carrying advanced guns and having advanced warfare over a bunch of villagers. Who is the real coward.

johnnydee23
Why would anyone join the army,get shot at by the enemy, if you shoot back and The enemy happen to die you get arrested for murder! Why hasn't smarmy Blair Been arrested then? Charges murder,extortion,fraud that'll do for a start.

Brian E Gorton
Camaloon STOP STOP THIS MADNESS! Green on Blue.Every news paper reports it! Our lads murdered by this evil rabble.And you and your public school boy network allow it,In fact you not only allow it you are the cause of it ! You are bl---y spineless.One of our soldiers is worth a thousand politicians.The MOD and our government allow our troops to fight a war with an enemy that dresses in civilian clothes. Then charges them with murder for shooting at them Get real Camaloon BRING THEM HOME NOW.








Byron Eckhardt
8:33pm on 11/10/2012
Why not arrest the politicians who sent them there,why not arrest Blair for Iraq,because their middle class and the soldiers are working class.
jimmyjedi1979
8:23am on 12/10/2012
Couldn't have said it better myself!