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  • 13 November 2012, 11:55

Starbucks Boss Denies Making Money in Britain

Starbucks executive Troy Alstead has been told his claim the coffee giant makes a loss in the UK "doesn't ring true".

Mr Alstead, global chief financial officer at the company, denied lying to shareholders over the US chain's accounts when he appeared before the Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

The PAC is questioning representatives of Starbucks, Amazon and Google about the amount of tax they pay in the UK amid mounting concern about tax avoidance by big international firms.

When grilled by PAC chair Margaret Hodge, Mr Alstead said Starbucks had only made a profit once in the 15 years it has been doing business in the UK.

"I assure you we are not making money," he told the committee.

"It's very unfortunate. We're not at all pleased about our financial performance here. It's fundamentally true everything we are saying and everything we have said historically."

Labour's Ms Hodge replied: "You have run the business for 15 years and are losing money and you are carrying on investing here. It just doesn't ring true."

Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in 14 years of trading in Britain. It was also revealed it paid no corporation tax for the past three years, despite sales of £1.2bn in the UK.

Ms Hodge questioned how that could happen when a former chief financial operator said in 2007 that the division had an operating profit rate of 15%.

Mr Alstead denied knowledge of the statement and insisted the first profit Starbucks made was £6m in 2006.

Ms Hodge also questioned why the company had filed millions in losses then promoted the head of the UK business, Cliff Burrows, to take over the US operation.

She said also it did not "ring true" that the man in charge of an operation that was running such an unsuccessful division would be promoted.

Ms Hodge said: "You are losing money. You have tried for 15 years and failed and you have promoted the guy who failed."

She added: "Are you lying to your shareholders?"

Mr Alstead replied: "Absolutely not."

Mr Alstead faced repeated claims from MPs that the firm was engaged in aggressive tax avoidance in the UK, but he insisted that globally it was "an extremely high tax payer".

He said: "Respectfully I can assure you there is no tax avoidance here.

"We have a global tax rate of 33% around the world. Our tax rate outside the US is 21%. That is higher than most multinationals' global rate. We are an extremely high tax payer. We are not aggressively looking to avoid tax."

Mr Alstead declined to give details publicly of a favourable rate granted to it in Holland. Dutch authorities wanted that to remain confidential, he said.

Matt Brittin, the chief executive of Google UK, and Andrew Cecil, Amazon's director of public policy, also gave evidence to the committee.

Mr Cecil was forced to explain why a CD or a book bought in pounds on Amazon.co.uk delivered from a UK warehouse by the Royal Mail is registered in Luxembourg.

"We have our European headquarters in Luxembourg... the books could be in the UK, they could be in France. If you are purchasing English books it is very likely they will be in our fulfilment centres (warehouses)."

Earlier in the year, The Guardian reported Amazon - Britain's largest online retailer - generated UK sales over the past three years of between £7.6bn and £10.3bn, but paid virtually no corporation tax.

Google's UK unit paid just £6m to the Treasury in 2011 on revenue of £395m, according to The Daily Telegraph.

The three firms are among several which have had their tax affairs put under the spotlight recently.

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first 20 comments

Windows Live User

4:44pm on 12/11/2012

Tosh! and he knows it He is embarrasing himself coming out with this load of codswallop. companies bill other parts of the company within Europe to move it about. looks like a one lost. If they lose so much then why not pull out?

Score: 13

grumpyoldfrt

4:57pm on 12/11/2012

Any one knows that it is easy to manipulate accounts - one way is to hit companies with large recharges for admin costs, research and development etc then the operating unit will show a loss. Maybe Starbucks don't do this and can not find a way to make a profit out of a spoon of coffe and a mug of hot water!!!!! The way to hit them back is to boycott their coffee shops!

Score: 14

andy johnson

6:12pm on 12/11/2012

we should all stop using there services

Score: 14

Mike Anon

6:16pm on 12/11/2012

I for one do NOT believe Starbucks are making a loss in the UK. Their shops always appear to be busy & their prices for both coffee & snacks are extortionate. I wouldn't buy a biscuit there!

Score: 15
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simon williams

3:42pm on 13/11/2012

that made me laugh mike. i wont buy a biscuit there to

Score: 2

KneecapsNorman

6:21pm on 12/11/2012

they should be banned from trading in the uk, along with any other foreign companies that refuse to contribute to uk tax.

Score: 13

ian sadler

7:22pm on 12/11/2012

I am with other commentors here - I've stopped using starbucks

Score: 7

t.bulgin

7:23pm on 12/11/2012

I'm almost begining to warm to hodge. OMG, i need a lie down now.

Score: 6
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movvi

10:12pm on 12/11/2012

Have a coffee!

Score: 3

happymike CHESTER

7:47pm on 12/11/2012

Any one who makes coffee that tastes like mud then charges ten times more than other cafe`s ,gets gullible customers to pay it deserves not to pay tax.Trendy Suckers.

Score: 5

Sport2865

8:34pm on 12/11/2012

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joesoap100

10:05pm on 12/11/2012

Star bigbucks wouldnt get rich from my custom .. Only had 1 cup of coffee there and it tasted like f muck ..

Score: 6

movvi

10:15pm on 12/11/2012

I haven't been to a Starbucks but I don't either drink coffee. Regardless, although this guy is a bad egg, if the government leaves gaping loopholes then I suppose they will always be exploited. The newsreaders keep crowing on about how "it's legal", after all. Another bit of a mess, really.

Score: 3

Mikel roi

11:02pm on 12/11/2012

OK, so then we all avoid using Google, Amazon (I already gave them up over a delivery "offer" that was taken from my account without my express permission) and avoid using Starbucks (no problem, didn't like the coffee and they seem overpriced). That'll learn them! Support British owned cafes, traditional team rooms & Restaurants and independent booksellers! That just leaves the search engine ....

Score: 6

ray atkins

11:39pm on 12/11/2012

If they have not been making any profit in this country for 15 years, it time they closed down here, but how comes costa is making a profit?

Score: 6

michael crane

6:53am on 13/11/2012

Cameron get this sorted, do your job or your sacked

Score: 7

patricia mcbride

7:38am on 13/11/2012

Don't buy the stuff. They are ripping us off So we are paying their tax They should be excluded from the UK

Score: 5

John Mechelen

8:10am on 13/11/2012

A loss,why are you trading here then,when your coffee tastes awful.I know its so the trendy with a large ego can show off.

Score: 7
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Tricky One

10:08am on 13/11/2012

It is properly horrible coffee isn't it?

Score: 5

Brian Holmes

10:25am on 13/11/2012

I had a cup of their stuff once and it was minging. I keep saying it: support your local small businesses. They pay every penny in tax - they have no choice - and their profits, if they manage to have anything left, stay in this country and are not spirited away abroad.

Score: 6

Robbie369P .

10:42am on 13/11/2012

Not only do they not pay tax, but a vast majority of their workers are paid tax credits due to the low level of pay. So we are in fact paying them to make vast profits here.

Score: 11

Windows Live User

3:59pm on 13/11/2012

Go for the jugular Ms Hodge. If they dont make money then why do they stay? Man speak with f. orked tongue. Well he will be selling 1 less cup of coffee in the UK now mate Before anyone jumps in about the workers we pay their way in tax credits. And People say we will lose the PAYE that Starbucks pay the Gov. Its the workers who pay PAYE

Score: 5

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4:30pm on 13/11/2012

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