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Top Tories Launch Gay Marriage Campaign
London Mayor Boris Johnson and Education Secretary Michael Gove are among more than a dozen senior Conservatives who have launched a new group to campaign for gay marriage.
David Cameron supports the plans to allow same-sex weddings to be held in places of worship and has promised a free vote, but more than 100 Tory MPs are expected to oppose the change in the Commons next year.
The new group has been put together by Nick Herbert, the former police minister who resigned from the Government in September's reshuffle.
As well as Mr Johnson and Mr Gove, it includes Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, who is Catholic, Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt, an evangelical Christian, former Tory ministers Lord Fowler and Nicholas Soames and Scottish Conservatives leader Ruth Davidson.
In a letter to The Sunday Telegraph announcing the formation of the group, the 19 declared: "Marriage should be open to all, regardless of sexuality.
"We recognise that civil partnerships were an important step forward in giving legal recognition to same sex couples.
"But civil partnerships are not marriages, which express a particular and universally understood commitment."
Mr Herbert, who is in a civil partnership, said changing the law was "the right thing to do".
"It is precisely because marriage is such a uniquely important institution that we should ensure that all couples who want to enter into it, regardless of their sexuality, can do so," he added.
"Conservatives who believe in marriage should feel this most strongly."
However, Mr Herbert insisted it would be wrong to "compel religious organisations to marry same-sex couples against their will" and called for legal "safeguards" to prevent it.
Under the proposals, due to be fleshed out this week, churches and other venues will be allowed to "opt in" to holding civil marriage ceremonies.
Ministers will offer a guarantee that no institution will be forced to marry gay people on their premises - but Tory MPs and religious groups have questioned whether it would stand up to challenges under the Human Rights Act.
Legislation is expected to be introduced before Easter, and could take effect about a year later - with the first ceremonies likely be held in spring 2014.
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what do you think?

shaun spencer
Gaye marriage and woman bishops in places of worship makes a mockery of the bible.surely if you believe in religeon you should abide by the bible.you cant say" oh i dont like that passage in the bible i think we'll take no notice of it ".

ali baba
Spot on Shaun.

El Bubsio
They say, conveniently ignoring the parts of the bible which preach love, forgiveness, kindness and tolerance. Christians ignore the bible whenever it's inconvenient but are very quick to trot out misinterpreted or mistranslated passages whenever they wish to support their narrow minded views on a subject.

Chris Robinson
Sure the bible can be changed. Who owns the copywright? If we don't like our laws, we change them to suit MODERN times.

d and d Phillips
Any particular examples El Bubsio?

Mark Wood
A fairly good test - for a Christian - is to look at those passages which are attributed to Jesus, rather than OT prophets or Paul. Jesus speaks inclusion and upset the religous hierachy by doing so. On balance I think i'd err towards the generous rather when jusging others... clearly we don't know what he thought about g-ay-s as he didn't ever say anything about the matter..

Brian Holmes
I agree with you, Shaun. But this is about votes, not religion, and Cameron is about to learn a very hard lesson.

shaun spencer
Imagine in court, the bible verses the human rights act.a really juicy case for lawyers to get into.

Jeffrey Gwynn
You would think these halfwits hadn't anything better to do!
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Little Jacob
What on earth has religous affairs gotta do with this government, if its what christians believe then so be it...i dont see other religions getting persecuted...

shirley sutton
Would have thought this government would have been better served getting the country back on its feet

d and d Phillips
I think they prefer it on its belly
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ali baba
Religion is a business, c of e is a complete joke. The amount it changes based on the times is becoming a mockery. Just don't get why Gaye people want to be married under a book that only 100 years ago was killing them?.

El Bubsio
I'd say the fact that they're still willing to follow a book that only 100 years ago was killing them says a lot about the strength of their faith. How many straight couples who get married 'in the presence of god' have ever been to church or even prayed, I wonder?!

ali baba
I honestly think Gaye people should have a long hard look at themselves and question why they would want to be married under a book that so clearly is against their ways. It really is as stupid as me joining the BNP

teresa foster
wrong marriage is between a man and a woman there are more important things to sort out,stop lookinbg after thier own is immoral.

LANDSEA
How about they sort out the pigs ear they have made of the economy before they take on anything else !! more smoke and mirrors to take the attention away from the * *** they have got us into !!.

Howard Kingsbury
To Landsea You've got an amazingly short memory. We're in this pickle because of Gordon Brown's incurable anglophobia. He should have been sent to The Tower via Traitor's Gate.

shaun spencer
Wonder why the word gaye is offensive .as its censored.i thought it also meant happy.'

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Peter Edwardson
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El Bubsio
Assuming HS stands for Homosexuality, would you care to explain how its not normal?

Peter Edwardson
EB. If you dont know I dont think I can help you.

El Bubsio
So as usual, you have no answer to back up your ridiculous statement and so try to just deflect your ignorance onto other people.

Chris Robinson
YOU don't know, Peter, so you can't explain yourself.

Peter Edwardson
As I said already if you dont know yourself there is nothing that I have to say to you. Just live in ignorance. They say ignorance is bliss. I know I enjoy mine.

Tricky One
You must be very happy Peter!

Peter Edwardson
Yep. Thats what its all about Tricky.

bjnk
Satan has always tried to infiltrate into Christian and church life,this is no different. Also from above piece the ex police minister who put together this group- "Mr Herbert, who is in a civil partnership, said changing the law was "the right thing to do". What a surprise, No self interest then from our worldly wise politicians.

blue side
I think this will back fire on Boris et al and sorry but would not support this and those from the thumbs down brigade you can have your field day I am anti. Another decline in British standards there are more important issues to sort out.

Brian Holmes
Me too.

Mark Wood
The "universally understood" meaning of marriage is one and and one woman for life. Can we not just learn to respect civil partnerships - whether same sex or otherwise - without need to trash centuries of tradition and meaning for the sake of 21st century middle class angst?

Brian Holmes
It's interesting to see how some left-leaning commenters here are suddenly on Cameron's side. Which, of course, is the outcome Cameron wants. This is about votes. Unfortunately, it will backfire spectacularly as to seek to divide the Christian Churches which are still an integral part of the fabric of the UK will have repercussions that Cameron could not have imagined. If British society is broken now, wait to you see what this does. As for safeguards, this is a joke as we all know this will go to a so-called Court of Human Rights where it will be thrown out and Cameron will claim nothin-to-do-with-me-Guv.

blue side
Agreed Brian it also sends out the wrong message we are getting this on every TV show - I am broad minded but draw a line around this idea

Howard Kingsbury
As a an happy transvestite, I deplore the sheer waste of time by The Commons & The Media on gender issues when the Economy is near-moribund & the UK Border Agency is a joke worldwide. To them both, I say: "Snap out of it & get your priorities right".





simon williams
6:46am on 9/12/2012
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THIS GOVERMENT HAS DONE RIGHT BY PEOPLE.
Mark Wood
10:08am on 10/12/2012
Or perhaps revelead their inexperience?
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