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  • 9 December 2012, 11:44

Top Tories Launch Gay Marriage Campaign

London Mayor Boris Johnson and Education Secretary Michael Gove are among more than a dozen senior Conservatives who have launched a new group to campaign for gay marriage.

David Cameron supports the plans to allow same-sex weddings to be held in places of worship and has promised a free vote, but more than 100 Tory MPs are expected to oppose the change in the Commons next year.

The new group has been put together by Nick Herbert, the former police minister who resigned from the Government in September's reshuffle.

As well as Mr Johnson and Mr Gove, it includes Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, who is Catholic, Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt, an evangelical Christian, former Tory ministers Lord Fowler and Nicholas Soames and Scottish Conservatives leader Ruth Davidson.

In a letter to The Sunday Telegraph announcing the formation of the group, the 19 declared: "Marriage should be open to all, regardless of sexuality.

"We recognise that civil partnerships were an important step forward in giving legal recognition to same sex couples.

"But civil partnerships are not marriages, which express a particular and universally understood commitment."

Mr Herbert, who is in a civil partnership, said changing the law was "the right thing to do".

"It is precisely because marriage is such a uniquely important institution that we should ensure that all couples who want to enter into it, regardless of their sexuality, can do so," he added.

"Conservatives who believe in marriage should feel this most strongly."

However, Mr Herbert insisted it would be wrong to "compel religious organisations to marry same-sex couples against their will" and called for legal "safeguards" to prevent it.

Under the proposals, due to be fleshed out this week, churches and other venues will be allowed to "opt in" to holding civil marriage ceremonies.

Ministers will offer a guarantee that no institution will be forced to marry gay people on their premises - but Tory MPs and religious groups have questioned whether it would stand up to challenges under the Human Rights Act.

Legislation is expected to be introduced before Easter, and could take effect about a year later - with the first ceremonies likely be held in spring 2014.

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simon williams

6:46am on 9/12/2012

THIS IS THE ONLY THING THIS GOVERMENT HAS DONE RIGHT BY PEOPLE.

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Mark Wood

10:08am on 10/12/2012

Or perhaps revelead their inexperience?

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11:43am on 10/12/2012

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shaun spencer

7:16am on 9/12/2012

Gaye marriage and woman bishops in places of worship makes a mockery of the bible.surely if you believe in religeon you should abide by the bible.you cant say" oh i dont like that passage in the bible i think we'll take no notice of it ".

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ali baba

10:05am on 9/12/2012

Spot on Shaun.

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El Bubsio

12:15pm on 9/12/2012

They say, conveniently ignoring the parts of the bible which preach love, forgiveness, kindness and tolerance. Christians ignore the bible whenever it's inconvenient but are very quick to trot out misinterpreted or mistranslated passages whenever they wish to support their narrow minded views on a subject.

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Chris Robinson

7:05pm on 9/12/2012

Sure the bible can be changed. Who owns the copywright? If we don't like our laws, we change them to suit MODERN times.

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d and d Phillips

9:55pm on 9/12/2012

Any particular examples El Bubsio?

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Mark Wood

10:07am on 10/12/2012

A fairly good test - for a Christian - is to look at those passages which are attributed to Jesus, rather than OT prophets or Paul. Jesus speaks inclusion and upset the religous hierachy by doing so. On balance I think i'd err towards the generous rather when jusging others... clearly we don't know what he thought about g-ay-s as he didn't ever say anything about the matter..

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Brian Holmes

11:10am on 10/12/2012

I agree with you, Shaun. But this is about votes, not religion, and Cameron is about to learn a very hard lesson.

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shaun spencer

7:22am on 9/12/2012

Imagine in court, the bible verses the human rights act.a really juicy case for lawyers to get into.

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Jeffrey Gwynn

9:04am on 9/12/2012

You would think these halfwits hadn't anything better to do!

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9:10am on 9/12/2012

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9:32am on 9/12/2012

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Little Jacob

9:33am on 9/12/2012

What on earth has religous affairs gotta do with this government, if its what christians believe then so be it...i dont see other religions getting persecuted...

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shirley sutton

9:35am on 9/12/2012

Would have thought this government would have been better served getting the country back on its feet

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d and d Phillips

9:54pm on 9/12/2012

I think they prefer it on its belly

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11:45am on 10/12/2012

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ali baba

9:35am on 9/12/2012

Religion is a business, c of e is a complete joke. The amount it changes based on the times is becoming a mockery. Just don't get why Gaye people want to be married under a book that only 100 years ago was killing them?.

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El Bubsio

12:18pm on 9/12/2012

I'd say the fact that they're still willing to follow a book that only 100 years ago was killing them says a lot about the strength of their faith. How many straight couples who get married 'in the presence of god' have ever been to church or even prayed, I wonder?!

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ali baba

10:09am on 9/12/2012

I honestly think Gaye people should have a long hard look at themselves and question why they would want to be married under a book that so clearly is against their ways. It really is as stupid as me joining the BNP

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teresa foster

10:23am on 9/12/2012

wrong marriage is between a man and a woman there are more important things to sort out,stop lookinbg after thier own is immoral.

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LANDSEA

11:33am on 9/12/2012

How about they sort out the pigs ear they have made of the economy before they take on anything else !! more smoke and mirrors to take the attention away from the * *** they have got us into !!.

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Howard Kingsbury

12:06pm on 10/12/2012

To Landsea You've got an amazingly short memory. We're in this pickle because of Gordon Brown's incurable anglophobia. He should have been sent to The Tower via Traitor's Gate.

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shaun spencer

12:32pm on 9/12/2012

Wonder why the word gaye is offensive .as its censored.i thought it also meant happy.'

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Roger W Patrick

12:47pm on 9/12/2012

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Peter Edwardson

1:27pm on 9/12/2012

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El Bubsio

2:34pm on 9/12/2012

Assuming HS stands for Homosexuality, would you care to explain how its not normal?

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Peter Edwardson

3:52pm on 9/12/2012

EB. If you dont know I dont think I can help you.

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El Bubsio

4:56pm on 9/12/2012

So as usual, you have no answer to back up your ridiculous statement and so try to just deflect your ignorance onto other people.

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Chris Robinson

7:01pm on 9/12/2012

YOU don't know, Peter, so you can't explain yourself.

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Peter Edwardson

8:05pm on 9/12/2012

As I said already if you dont know yourself there is nothing that I have to say to you. Just live in ignorance. They say ignorance is bliss. I know I enjoy mine.

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Tricky One

10:33pm on 9/12/2012

You must be very happy Peter!

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Peter Edwardson

8:02am on 10/12/2012

Yep. Thats what its all about Tricky.

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bjnk

1:16am on 10/12/2012

Satan has always tried to infiltrate into Christian and church life,this is no different. Also from above piece the ex police minister who put together this group- "Mr Herbert, who is in a civil partnership, said changing the law was "the right thing to do". What a surprise, No self interest then from our worldly wise politicians.

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blue side

9:04am on 10/12/2012

I think this will back fire on Boris et al and sorry but would not support this and those from the thumbs down brigade you can have your field day I am anti. Another decline in British standards there are more important issues to sort out.

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Brian Holmes

9:52am on 10/12/2012

Me too.

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Mark Wood

10:15am on 10/12/2012

The "universally understood" meaning of marriage is one and and one woman for life. Can we not just learn to respect civil partnerships - whether same sex or otherwise - without need to trash centuries of tradition and meaning for the sake of 21st century middle class angst?

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Brian Holmes

10:25am on 10/12/2012

It's interesting to see how some left-leaning commenters here are suddenly on Cameron's side. Which, of course, is the outcome Cameron wants. This is about votes. Unfortunately, it will backfire spectacularly as to seek to divide the Christian Churches which are still an integral part of the fabric of the UK will have repercussions that Cameron could not have imagined. If British society is broken now, wait to you see what this does. As for safeguards, this is a joke as we all know this will go to a so-called Court of Human Rights where it will be thrown out and Cameron will claim nothin-to-do-with-me-Guv.

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blue side

11:22am on 10/12/2012

Agreed Brian it also sends out the wrong message we are getting this on every TV show - I am broad minded but draw a line around this idea

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Howard Kingsbury

12:25pm on 10/12/2012

As a an happy transvestite, I deplore the sheer waste of time by The Commons & The Media on gender issues when the Economy is near-moribund & the UK Border Agency is a joke worldwide. To them both, I say: "Snap out of it & get your priorities right".

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